Mailing-List: contact user-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: user@couchdb.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of ryan.ramage@gmail.com
 designates 74.125.83.52 as permitted sender)
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
 <CAEmZbrtmHgcMmaMvP4-HVDHXfUssX4Eqoop+6Lbyo=YpyvZzZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
 <CAL-h1aTwrnWo-0_JXaCG9rR8oqdoSwvqvW3Lv88qXzjr9XswFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+aD3u0A51gTyfbejzyVmU-zrZ_gqi5-mjQOOQC0--3iP+YdLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL-h1aR2YWRR-BcYztHk60RRSAazUTAVQApHVs2HOEkBZSLg7Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL-h1aTjC4yW9Fe8_rLsEPJ1dniqP9EvdOq+rHm_kb0kfVCcSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEmZbrtmHgcMmaMvP4-HVDHXfUssX4Eqoop+6Lbyo=YpyvZzZw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 19:40:04 -0600
Message-ID: 
 <CAL-h1aRh_zY-OE8KQt5f_WkpKd_Dgf0KkRyFYWYq=5owpjfsCA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: A new Garden
From: Ryan Ramage <ryan.ramage@gmail.com>
To: user@couchdb.apache.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 6:43 PM, R.J. Steinert <rj@rjsteinert.com> wrote:
> "simply having Garden to make the basic CouchApp stuff more approachable to
> more people is a great step forward"
> Agreed!  I love the concept.
>

Great...good to see enthusiasm. Also to be clear to new couchdb users:
couchapps and the garden concept are not the only way you have to
write apps for couchdb. I know we have seen confusion when people
approach couchdb that they have to use couchapps. But hopefully the
garden concept reinvigorates the couch community.


> Signup is not currently working for me, the signup button seems inactive.
> No js errors, nothing happens when it is clicked.
>

Hmm, checked all the systems, and it looks ok. Maybe there is a
os/browser issue I have not seen...can you create an issue here, maybe
with some browser details and a link to a screen shot?

https://github.com/garden20/garden/issues


Thanks:

Ryan


> --
> RJ Steinert
> http://rjsteinert.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Ryan Ramage <ryan.ramage@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Btw, if anyone wants to get (back) into couchapps, I have a super easy
>> template to fork and tryout:
>>
>> https://github.com/garden20/baseline-garden-app
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Ryan Ramage <ryan.ramage@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> many thanks for doing this!
>> >
>> > Thanks for the great feedback and really walking through it. I had
>> > most of it done for a while, just needed to really work hard to polish
>> > it up a bit more.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I really like how install lets you choose "garden market" but also "or
>> >> paste a URL", easily usable.
>> >>
>> >> One question about pasting a URL though: it wasn't clear to me how i
>> >> can for instance install http://www.theinfinitemaze.com/ - should i
>> >> obtain some sort of app manifest URL from the independent app
>> >> publisher to paste in there?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Currently the only url that work in that field is a link to an app in
>> > _any_ garden market. Something that looks like:
>> >
>> > http://garden20.com/market/details/bookmarks
>> >
>> > We just wanted to show a way that you are not forced to use one
>> > market. Some work should be done to make that more clear. That being
>> > said
>> > we could probably sniff the url provided a little more, and if it is a
>> > regular couchapp provided a way to replicate it over to your garden. I
>> > will have to think about that.
>> >
>> >
>> >> I even think the "do you trust this app?" page can be toned down, when
>> >> i saw it i assumed that all apps would be sharing one data space.
>> >> Given that this is not the case, all an app could do is DoS you,
>> >> right? I mean, i think you could skip this "are you sure?" screen
>> >> even.
>> >
>> > It needs to be there in some form. I can send you a link like this:
>> > http://bit.ly/Qglbda To try and fool you. Just some safety measures.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I'll think about if there is a way to port our existing remoteStorage
>> >> apps to CouchApp. They all use remoteStorage.js, so if we port that,
>> >> we would port all future apps on our platform automatically to your
>> >> platform. The main difference is the separation between data of
>> >> different apps, i think.
>> >
>> > I can see remote storage as a nice fit if people build hosted gardens
>> > from the smaller apps, and remoteStorage lets them save data to/from
>> > them. Also pouchdb is a great fit for this.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> ps, everybody else can stop trying to squat 'unwalled.garden20.com' as
>> >> a username, i already got it. :)
>> >>
>> >
>> > it truly is trying to be an unwalled garden. Good name :)
>>