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Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:48:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: Google+ community?
From: "matt j. sorenson" <matt@sorensonbros.net>
To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
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Hi Noah - I agree with you on involving one or more human(s), for sure...

So I guess part of what I was brainstorming was around which parts of the
process could still be automated to ease the burden, not unlike the huge
body of work you've been doing around the release process. If disparate
sources were aggregated, and if throughout the week a newsletter curator
could select and/or nominate topically relevant items for that week by just
spotting it, deciding, and "tagging" it (or some similar easy-button type
of action) during the course of everyday flow, then the final email could
still be automated, and thus always on a reliable schedule... even tho all
of the content there-in was selected by a person or a few people (or votes,
or...).

and maybe it's not a schedule, maybe a mail is generated every time there
are 5 (arbitrary number I just plucked) pieces of human-determined
newsletter-worthy content ready to be served up.

just thinking aloud (onlist)... we could even experiment with the bookmarks
or hacker news clone apps on garden20.com.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

> Interesting idea, Matt. Again though, I really think we should aim to
> involve a human being. I think if there's a tagging system, or a +1 syste=
m,
> that helps to surface interesting threads, then fine. But there should be=
 a
> person reviewing these, and using their judgement, and knowledge of what =
is
> already happening on the list to post what seems relevant. I might add th=
at
> anyone can do this! God knows, I already have enough things to do. ;)
>
>
> On 11 March 2013 16:04, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>
> > I think about the aggregation and curation challenge sometimes...
> >
> > and *sometimes* I even think of ways it might be made easier. I just
> tried
> > Feed+ for generating feeds from public G+ posts -- it seems to work gre=
at
> > for individual profiles, but failed for the Community profile. I emaile=
d
> > the author (a google employee and google apps script extraordinaire) to
> see
> > about getting support in there for G+ Communities.
> >
> > if that were to become possible, then there can be a feed of posts. May=
be
> > there's a way to rank by the accumulated +1's (in the feed, or
> > post-processing).
> >
> > The feed could be
> >
> > MAPPED
> >
> > to an aggregator (I do this a lot in Drupal with feeds to import conten=
t,
> > but it could just be dropped into a public couch instance); and then th=
e
> > newsy mailing-list worthy stuff could be quickly
> >
> > REDUCED
> >
> > by a tagging mechanism. E.g. tag share-worthy things "mailing list" and=
 a
> > weekly job sniffs those out and sends them to the mailing list. It's
> > automated, but it's curated first.
> >
> > I'm not sure if all that hypothetical hocus pocus technology would
> actually
> > make it easier than just scanning the community once a week sending out
> > some interesting links :P I'm just brainstorming.
> >
> >  :D
> >
> > --
> > *matt j. sorenson*
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I had a chat with Infra and they do not like automated posts to the
> > mailing
> > > list. I am going to set up some alarms for me to remind me to do week=
ly
> > > roundups. That also means I get to curate the stuff I think is
> important.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 March 2013 22:27, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > i will have a look to see if it can be  automatised. If not i can
> > > > probably do the weekly summary.
> > > >
> > > > - benoit
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Benoit,
> > > > >
> > > > > As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was
> wondering
> > > > this
> > > > > morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the
> activity
> > > > > happening over there?
> > > > >
> > > > > See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow
> > > > questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think this would be valuable?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone
> > > reading
> > > > >> this email.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to
> make
> > do
> > > > >> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that w=
e
> > must
> > > > keep
> > > > >> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by
> > > > everyone.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to
> > > suppress
> > > > >> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal i=
s
> to
> > > > make
> > > > >> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, =
a
> > > > problem
> > > > >> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the
> > project
> > > > >> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've be=
en
> > > > >> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack
> do.
> > > > It's a
> > > > >> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off
> the
> > > > lists.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_1=
1
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together.
> > Response
> > > > >> here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removin=
g
> > your
> > > > >> mail.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my ema=
il
> > sig
> > > > when
> > > > >>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> *matt *
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <
> > > > matt@sorensonbros.net
> > > > >>> >wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or
> it
> > > > won't
> > > > >>> > happen.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical
> > > destination.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web
> > > > interface
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge
> > > archive.
> > > > >>> That
> > > > >>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Maili=
ng
> > > > >>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregat=
es
> > the
> > > > >>> pockets
> > > > >>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as
> they
> > > > emerge
> > > > >>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more
> > > sharing.
> > > > The
> > > > >>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can bu=
ck
> > > that
> > > > and
> > > > >>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > --
> > > > >>> > *matt j. sorenson*
> > > > >>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > phone calls always welcome :)
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <
> nslater@apache.org
> > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on
> > Twitter
> > > > or
> > > > >>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think tha=
t
> > the
> > > > >>> really
> > > > >>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing
> > > lists.
> > > > You
> > > > >>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interes=
t
> > > > >>> discussion
> > > > >>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to
> filter
> > > > back
> > > > >>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community
> can
> > > see
> > > > >>> it?
> > > > >>> >> It
> > > > >>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds ou=
t
> > > about
> > > > >>> more
> > > > >>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets
> > more
> > > > >>> >> exposure,
> > > > >>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to
> have
> > > > support
> > > > >>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but
> ...)
> > .
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mash=
up
> > > most
> > > > of
> > > > >>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interestin=
g
> to
> > > > have
> > > > >>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations comin=
g
> > from
> > > > >>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more)
> and
> > > > allows
> > > > >>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your
> > concern
> > > > and
> > > > >>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > - beno=EEt
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <
> > nslater@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically=
,
> > > we've
> > > > >>> >> struggled
> > > > >>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it.
> > There
> > > > >>> should
> > > > >>> >> be a
> > > > >>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the
> > > > community,
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>> >> > that
> > > > >>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That
> doesn't
> > > > mean
> > > > >>> >> there
> > > > >>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other
> places.
> > > > But I
> > > > >>> am
> > > > >>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques
> are
> > > > >>> forming.
> > > > >>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doin=
g
> > > here.
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <
> > > matt@sorensonbros.net>
> > > > >>> >> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the bette=
r,
> > and
> > > > stop
> > > > >>> >> being
> > > > >>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd
> just
> > > > left
> > > > >>> it
> > > > >>> >> at
> > > > >>> >> > >> this...
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > > > >>> >> > >> Hey,
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=
=3D1
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around Couch=
DB
> > on
> > > > >>> Google+
> > > > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> --
> > > > >>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> > > > >>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <
> > > > nslater@apache.org>
> > > > >>> >> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Hey,
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=
=3D1
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around
> CouchDB
> > > on
> > > > >>> >> Google+,
> > > > >>> >> > but
> > > > >>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away fro=
m
> > the
> > > > >>> project
> > > > >>> >> > lists,
> > > > >>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they shou=
ld
> > > talk
> > > > >>> about
> > > > >>> >> > >> CouchDB.
> > > > >>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our
> community.
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > --
> > > > >>> >> > >> > NS
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > > --
> > > > >>> >> > > NS
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> --
> > > > >>> >> NS
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> NS
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > NS
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > NS
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>

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