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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Google+ community?
Date Sat, 09 Mar 2013 22:29:49 GMT
I had a chat with Infra and they do not like automated posts to the mailing
list. I am going to set up some alarms for me to remind me to do weekly
roundups. That also means I get to curate the stuff I think is important.


On 9 March 2013 22:27, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com> wrote:

> i will have a look to see if it can be  automatised. If not i can
> probably do the weekly summary.
>
> - benoit
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> > Benoit,
> >
> > As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was wondering
> this
> > morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the activity
> > happening over there?
> >
> > See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow
> questions.
> >
> > Do you think this would be valuable?
> >
> >
> > On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone reading
> >> this email.
> >>
> >> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make do
> >> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we must
> keep
> >> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by
> everyone.
> >>
> >> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to suppress
> >> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to
> make
> >> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a
> problem
> >> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the project
> >> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
> >>
> >> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
> >> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do.
> It's a
> >> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the
> lists.
> >>
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
> >>
> >> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together. Response
> >> here:
> >>
> >> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
> >>
> >> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
> >>
> >> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing your
> >> mail.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig
> when
> >>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> *matt *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <
> matt@sorensonbros.net
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it
> won't
> >>> > happen.
> >>> >
> >>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
> >>> >
> >>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web
> interface
> >>> to
> >>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive.
> >>> That
> >>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
> >>> >
> >>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
> >>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the
> >>> pockets
> >>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they
> emerge
> >>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing.
> The
> >>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that
> and
> >>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
> >>> >
> >>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > *matt j. sorenson*
> >>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
> >>> >
> >>> > phone calls always welcome :)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter
> or
> >>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the
> >>> really
> >>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists.
> You
> >>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
> >>> discussion
> >>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter
> back
> >>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can
see
> >>> it?
> >>> >> It
> >>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about
> >>> more
> >>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
> >>> >> exposure,
> >>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have
> support
> >>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...)
.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup
most
> of
> >>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting
to
> have
> >>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming
from
> >>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more)
and
> allows
> >>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern
> and
> >>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > - benoƮt
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically,
we've
> >>> >> struggled
> >>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it.
There
> >>> should
> >>> >> be a
> >>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the
> community,
> >>> and
> >>> >> > that
> >>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That
doesn't
> mean
> >>> >> there
> >>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other
places.
> But I
> >>> am
> >>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques
are
> >>> forming.
> >>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing
here.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the
better, and
> stop
> >>> >> being
> >>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if
you'd just
> left
> >>> it
> >>> >> at
> >>> >> > >> this...
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> >>> >> > >> Hey,
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around
CouchDB on
> >>> Google+
> >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> --
> >>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> >>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <
> nslater@apache.org>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> > Hey,
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around
CouchDB on
> >>> >> Google+,
> >>> >> > but
> >>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted
away from the
> >>> project
> >>> >> > lists,
> >>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where
they should talk
> >>> about
> >>> >> > >> CouchDB.
> >>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our
community.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > --
> >>> >> > >> > NS
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > --
> >>> >> > > NS
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> NS
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> NS
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
>



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NS

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