Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A76A9D01 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 82686 invoked by uid 500); 12 May 2012 09:14:33 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 82557 invoked by uid 500); 12 May 2012 09:14:30 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 82506 invoked by uid 99); 12 May 2012 09:14:27 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:14:27 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.214.180] (HELO mail-ob0-f180.google.com) (209.85.214.180) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 09:14:23 +0000 Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so1775153obb.11 for ; Sat, 12 May 2012 02:14:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=UDSpSixHbas4g8GVrunRImdMNH41SWhwSFoWGAmYcmY=; b=e7szjzrl0udzNY0fI20bZr8nilONiEqjthjQT8HASzAdsY1bVDPN12WD2U3NU4Afaa akBEPzmGzI7UTcEhopujw1fFJ4rF1MbDtTlifKoMH4jcO8zH9JCpJO23dW04QWhRAw2F UxfwniPG8ObUf5KPC0GcRPdQ2+ZU9gvsjiVsdQoqpNvKUpVo+SlphYL9sWxn5GEN78+u zRbHjrIfq/uvgaSvcZhP4lIH1btxR7wAlmL5DYQtrNh93YEPqvgysgugnB6WBKtjGaow tK2umDUtEweMFc5mO3pQK3wM/xNVo24+BPXEN0pfXk49nb7QqNjYqeFRvRSgNgcuZNE/ fdjg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.28.103 with SMTP id a7mr1534660oeh.24.1336814042071; Sat, 12 May 2012 02:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.55.72 with HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 02:14:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.55.72 with HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2012 02:14:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 21:14:01 +1200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Post-mortem From: Tim McNamara To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cafa1bc0bf04bfd3465c X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk2OhMNWgsjoXpnM2heETa9ZINSe8Wr0Q8NlYZL3Vo+/YLU13HmNp12w5uuVTTWCD95OmAQ X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --e89a8ff1cafa1bc0bf04bfd3465c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 One other good thing that might be worth mentioning is that it sounds like the migration path away from couch was pretty easy. On 11 May 2012 12:28, Jason Smith wrote: > Thanks for the tip, Noah. > > In addition to solving its technical and community deficiencies, we > all be banging on non-stop about why CouchDB is good for you: > > * Zero data loss (I can't believe it merits saying, but hey, there we are) > * They built a successful product, because CouchDB cuts with the grain > of the web > * They built a successful business, similarly > * Simple, transparent, confidence-instilling backups > * It was a lot of fun > > ## The Story of CouchDB > > People don't acknowledge enough how great SQL is for a maturing > company. Setting "product" aside, relational databases help build > businesses. CouchDB is not a "NoSQL" database, it is a > "domain-specific database." NoSQL could mean anything. When I have sex > there is no SQL. It's NoSQL! (Sometimes, there is no transaction > either.) > > The point is, bosses tend to ask relational questions. How many new > signups from last month are on the west coast and referred a friend? > How many leads converted to sales? Where is our product demanded most? > On a domain-specific DBs, the answer is a programming project. On > MySQL, it's a query. (I'm simplifying, but you all get it.) > > Couch should not claim to solve or even address those problems. The > story should be, "get your product done fast, and right. Ship it > today, and be poised to solve tomorrow's problems tomorrow." > > (Note, I ignore Couch's problems in this message, not to downplay > them, but rather to keep focus.) > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Noah Slater wrote: >> Guys, >> >> What can we learn from this: >> >> http://saucelabs.com/blog/index.php/2012/05/goodbye-couchdb/ >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> N > > > > -- > Iris Couch --e89a8ff1cafa1bc0bf04bfd3465c--