Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70F8D90D8 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 80656 invoked by uid 500); 15 Mar 2012 03:04:12 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-couchdb-dev-archive@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 80607 invoked by uid 500); 15 Mar 2012 03:04:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@couchdb.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@couchdb.apache.org Received: (qmail 80593 invoked by uid 99); 15 Mar 2012 03:04:12 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:04:12 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of nslater@tumbolia.org designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.215.52] (HELO mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com) (209.85.215.52) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:04:04 +0000 Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so2833759lah.11 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tumbolia.org; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=dZxipUmH1su1D/CN04awrauCenln1a1/8wlXELtXd2I=; b=mwcyC+3yec5ebrV7NBIT3oIpg9qOUO+csBE4ppN6wYQNdOzM261ci7nczfQt38helR DZmGwgb+xuEe04CT06NoFOgpW/tO5oPNe9a7lNG6eDo55KIs3ggsvOlH39a8PAtQRQ9O rknsPk+cjre04h6w0dhQJkC801ktKn4HxRAt8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=dZxipUmH1su1D/CN04awrauCenln1a1/8wlXELtXd2I=; b=jui3zo2CYa8NqCdOjANzAzIe1kZzVCTYlAHk/lFwNbaJB6mfxrmEqCSWhDqU9L1tym f+IBbbwC0QMCGO0bn6j5oTI5kFq50RtG4kE1PO5+i4zPkCMgVGKThwh0pf6YV+IML45i vSm9Z7CxLzoBGyHs79pP8VaoHMXL7eq7jLnuAQxuzLQppNf4hrQj6tfPdoqEdo71ve3G ms482YJcsESL/t3M1PrbYCrcA/2bU8QLGDpMMZwSE5NIzwz2KG7bs0S6mmCKyig+0wD+ rQLr/srX5WJFSKUL6Ujm5X9l+GDq0BdQg6MUL1qk8a/h3/O+fr7+dU+hEEBa9ssOVMPt PQAQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.25.40 with SMTP id z8mr1829486lbf.11.1331780624053; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.100.194 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:03:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [78.86.152.157] In-Reply-To: References: <0BB4F003-4C8B-441A-9CEF-08782AF170BB@dionne-associates.com> <-4709298919342606669@unknownmsgid> <4F60C606.5060409@83864.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 03:03:43 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 1.2.0 status update From: Noah Slater To: dev@couchdb.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040122a303f57e04bb3f5782 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkdKubgwusaKi5IqT7kQ157UK3/LF+3rbEFYEGoeY+U92WAxdUD0hYRqE7NFWqRVkkWC4XC X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --f46d040122a303f57e04bb3f5782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Paul Davis wrote: > > Can't you feel the heat too? > > Nope. Is there a deadline I'm not aware of? > Evidently so. Were you aware that the Friday just gone was a deadline? But you're missing my point. The deadline (that we agreed on via lazy consensus on the mailing list) was a symptom of the fire. The fire is not the cause. The cause is all of misfortune the project has had recently. The need to show the world that we are still alive and kicking, before it is too late. The need to demonstrate that we're an active project that doesn't get bogged down through process, and people disagreeing with each other. Do not under-estimate the impact of Mikeal's posts on the community at large. While I understand, and appreciate, the debates that have gone in to fixing the 1.2.0 issues, I feel like we could've moved faster as a team, and worked with more co-ordination. The outward possible perception is particularly unfortunate, given the context. So yes. I feel a fire. That fire is my passion for CouchDB. And I know that now more than ever, we, as a community need to pitch in together, pull our finger out, ship a great product, and start making the sort of inroads that will take us to the next level. It's tough, and there's a lot of ingrained behavioural stuff, and attitude stuff, that needs massaging. But I am happy that you seem to understand where my motivation is coming from, and are willing to overlook some rather hasty (frustrated) emails. --f46d040122a303f57e04bb3f5782--