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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Transactional _bulk_docs
Date Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:02:24 GMT
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 01:45:36PM -0500, Damien Katz wrote:
> The only time I've heard PMC mentioned so often seems to be about this
> specific issue.

I have searched my comprehensive mail archive of all CouchDB lists and I will
highlight every public email thread where those three letters have appeared
together at any point. I hope this will illustrate the point.

The large majority of the instances "PMC" is mentioned is within the context of
a formal, or administrative, email. I think this is the correct, and mandated
use. Which leaves us looking at then the word is used in other contexts. Of all
the threads outside this one, the word "PMC" only appears in two of them that
are not directly related to the official use. In the first instance, Geir
Magnusson Jr. was the first person to use it, prompting one reply from me. In
the second instance Antony Blakey used it three times:

> How do I ensure that my patch isn't stuck in development hell while the PMC
> (maybe) waits for consensus to (maybe never) emerge?

> Now, as the PMC you are technically able to dismiss everyone else's view

> That group is now the PMC, and I think you've become used to/optimized your
> working in a certain way

In response, I used it once:

> the only pertinent change that joining the ASF as forced is the transparency
> of the PMC

In this light, I would like to make two points:

  * Please stop saying that the word "PMC" is bandied about frequently. This is
    provably false.

  * If you really want to analyse the framing of our community, and the source
    of that framing, I think the three quotes above from Antony Blakey can sum
    up my feels better than an explicit explanation.

What follows is the exact list of emails, with examples quotations:

  * [DISCUSS] CouchDB incubator project
    - From: Sam Ruby <rubys@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <47A1EBE1.4010000@apache.org>
    - "[...] mainly due to my experience with umbrella PMCs,"
    - "couchdb-pmc for private PMC discussions (with moderated subscriptions)"

  * [VOTE] Accept CouchDB for incubation
    - From: Sam Ruby <rubys@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <3d4032300802090809o175955dy6d21a509ef316d8f@mail.gmail.com>
    - "couchdb-pmc for private PMC discussions (with moderated subscriptions)"

  * Re: [jira] Commented: (INFRA-1540) CouchDB Podling would like a MoinMoin  wiki setting
up
    - From: Sam Ruby <rubys@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <3d4032300803141948y751a82ebt5f4a3130dd221379@mail.gmail.com>
    - "The hope is that eventually CouchDB will become a PMC."
    - "The PMC will be responsible for for the project."

  * CouchDB Incubation Status updated
    - From: Ted Leung <twl@apache.org>
    - Message-Id: <1007ABB9-79A6-4FE3-BF7A-F4C3CC726543@apache.org>
    - "[...] and hasn't been fixed by the Incubator PMC, [...]"

  * [VOTE RESULTS] (was Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.0-incubating release (second round))
    - From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20080620131433.GA17003@bytesexual.org>
    - "I shall now call a VOTE from the Incubator PMC for this release."

  * [ANNOUNCE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.0-incubating has been released
    - Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20080625173452.GA14650@bytesexual.org>
    - "[...] sponsored by the Apache Incubator PMC."

  * [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.0-incubating release
    - From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20080620143738.GC17003@bytesexual.org>
    - "[...] we would now like to request the approval of the Incubator PMC to make the release."

  * Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.0-incubating release
    - From: Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <f767f0600806241421j154413f1saf1051842ad798fd@mail.gmail.com>
    - "Only votes from Incubator PMC members are binding [...]"

  * Re: Need another mentor?
    - From: Ted Leung <twleung@sauria.com>
    - Message-Id: <F9ABF037-79B8-411A-B7DA-D84216FF638C@sauria.com>
    - "Probably should go to the Incubator PMC."

  * [VOTE RESULTS] (was Re: [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.1-incubating release)
    - From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20080813161702.GK3529@bytesexual.org>
    - "I shall now call a VOTE from the Incubator PMC for this release."

  * [ANNOUNCE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.1-incubating has been released
    - From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20080817155720.GA22326@bytesexual.org>
    - "[...] sponsored by the Apache Incubator PMC."

  * [VOTE] Apache CouchDB 0.8.1-incubating release
    - From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20080813171218.GA27261@bytesexual.org>
    - "[...] request the approval of the Incubator PMC to make the release."

  * Re: [VOTE] Graduate CouchDB from Incubation
    - From: Ted Leung <twleung@sauria.com>
    - Message-Id: <0835665A-730F-4F26-98C3-F129A02F2FCD@sauria.com>
    - "Then we ask the Incubator PMC to approve"
    - "we should probably have that before the Incubator PMC vote."

  * [VOTE][RESULT] Graduate CouchDB from Incubation
    - From: Ted Leung <twleung@sauria.com>
    - Message-Id: <42B51263-EC21-4901-B4FD-CD60CD336AF4@sauria.com>
    - "[...] prior to asking for a vote of the Incubator PMC"

  * Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Graduate CouchDB from Incubation
    - From: Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org>
    - Message-Id: <82D8D63F-723C-4814-80B5-8439F2E0371F@apache.org>
    - "I like to propose Damien to become Vice President, CouchDB and chair of the PMC."

  * Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation
    - From: Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com>
    - Message-ID: <55afdc850811031653p69f8b955k5f1e809584c6270d@mail.gmail.com>
    - "[...] a PMC of five seems small"

  * Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation
    - From: Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org>
    - Message-Id: <A46B2A5D-6639-474A-AFD4-A3D966FDF2DF@apache.org>
    - "[...] address the concern of a 5-person PMC being small"

  * [VOTE] Graduate CouchDB as TLP (Was: Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation)
    - From: Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org>
    - Message-Id: <64A54DB7-F6D6-4FD0-8193-3F742D3B5C2B@apache.org>
    - "On behalf of the Apache CouchDB PPMC [...]"

  * Re: Proposed Resolution: Establish CouchDB TLP
    - From: Jim Jagielski <jim@jaguNET.com>
    - Message-Id: <8AFF9CCA-5897-4730-996D-CE8B28A0B0E4@jaguNET.com>
    - "[...] initial PMC membership lacks any ASF members"

  * Re: Proposed Resolution: Establish CouchDB TLP
    - From: Jan Lehnardt <jan@apache.org>
    - Message-Id: <E248FDE0-BCFD-46F8-A208-6631DB04A69E@apache.org>
    - "[...] like to join the PMC in addition to Jim?"

  * [REPORT] Apache CouchDB
    - From: Damien Katz <damien@apache.org>
    - Message-Id: <FB855BE0-0D61-4627-AE9A-9D680EF3A3FC@apache.org>
    - "[...] Damien Katz was approved as the Apache CouchDB PMC ."

  * Re: Decision making process (Re: Changing rev to _rev in view results (Was: Re: newbie
question #1))
    - From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." <geir@pobox.com>
    - Message-Id: <0F35BBEB-42E1-49F2-B113-905BC37A9D33@pobox.com>
    - "Technically it's a PMC member[...]"

  * Re: Decision making process (Re: Changing rev to _rev in view results (Was: Re: newbie
question #1))
    - From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20090102133304.GD20892@tumbolia.org>
    - "The PMC comprises me, Chris, Chris, Jan, and Damien."

  * Re: Decision making process (Re: Changing rev to _rev in view results (Was: Re: newbie
question #1))
    - From: Antony Blakey <antony.blakey@gmail.com>
    - Message-Id: <EF9385B8-EBBB-4A98-9BE5-C452B2C7297E@gmail.com>
    - "How do I ensure that my patch isn't stuck in development hell while the
      PMC (maybe) waits for consensus to (maybe never) emerge?"

  * Re: change planning
    - From: Antony Blakey <antony.blakey@gmail.com>
    - Message-Id: <9A2806F4-D60B-4500-ACB3-CE4C242778A4@gmail.com>
    - "Now, as the PMC you are technically able to dismiss everyone else's view"

  * Re: change planning
    - From: Antony Blakey <antony.blakey@gmail.com>
    - Message-Id: <02A3849E-CDB5-4B5A-AE47-8FE786825E04@gmail.com>
    - "That group is now the PMC, and I think you've become used to/optimized
      your working in a certain way"

  * Re: change planning
    - From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
    - Message-ID: <20090105145126.GI12174@tumbolia.org>
    - "the only pertinent change that joining the ASF as forced is the transparency of the
PMC"

I have left out quoted instances of the word PMC.

-- 
Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

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