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From Marcus Sorensen <shadow...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What are the System VM Templates for ASF 4.1 Release?
Date Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:58:24 GMT
I have a request that if we provide a system vm going forward that it
have virtio_console support from early on, as well as qemu-ga
(qemu-guest-agent) service started before cloud-early-config, so we
can use it to control the system vms on KVM.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Sudha Ponnaganti
<sudha.ponnaganti@citrix.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Just want to summarize what QA is doing for 4.1 validation and 4.2 so we are all on the
same page.
>
> 4.1
> * we will use 4.0 template for IPV4 testing ( all QA uses this one) -  (Even for this
VMWare template is broken [1] and that is a different topic)
> *Sangeetha who is testing IPV6 or any others who are interested can use template provided
by Sheng.
>
> 4.2 ( Master)
> * Continue to use older templates (4.0) temporarily till Rohit makes the template process
streamlined for all HVs
> * Reason is being that blockers are being logged against new procedure done by Rohit
[2]. It need to be tested and all templates ( xen/vmware/kvm) need to completed.
> * once he gives a go ahead all QA will consume that.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-1252
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-1462
>
> Hope this approach is fine for everyone.
>
> Thanks
> /Sudha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:13 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: What are the System VM Templates for ASF 4.1 Release?
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 10:47:25AM -0800, Sheng Yang wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Chiradeep Vittal
>> <Chiradeep.Vittal@citrix.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/27/13 10:12 AM, "Sheng Yang" <sheng@yasker.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Per this case, if people thinks systemvm template can be hosted
>> >>alone, I would suggest use the tested ipv6 template for the whole
>> >>4.1 release, to avoid confusion.
>> >
>> > As long as it is documented, it shouldn't cause too much confusion.
>> > People are not likely to be using ipv6 by accident, especially since
>> > it is considered experimental.
>> > I am sure your template is fine, but an abundance of caution at this
>> > stage of the game would lead me to believe that it is best to go
>> > with the 2-pronged approach. If we were making this decision 3 weeks
>> > ago, I'd say, 'yeah, probably OK'.
>>
>> I've sent out the notice when I branch out for IPv6, said it would
>> need a template. I stated so again when check in for 4.1 branch. And I
>> opened the bug for fixing this issue in 4.1. Thanks to Rohit, we
>> started discussion [3]. Everything looks fine.
>>
>> But this thing still happened. Bug changed to 4.1 fix version, the
>> issue raised by QA at last minute.
>>
>> I don't know how loud should I speak if we need a template for IPv6 in
>> 4.1. Seems nobody cares.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>Document the step to switch is fine, but two set of systemvm
>> >>template for one release would be tricky I think.
>> >
>> > Yes, but it is experimental.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>And the change to the ipv6 systemvm template, is it just contained
>> >>upgraded dnsmasq(version 6.22). That's it, nothing changed beside
>> >>that. I kind of believe it should be mostly the same as before,
>> >>tested enough for default template.
>> >
>> > These are not strong, confident statements. To make it simpler, we
>> > could use approach 'B' with the caveat that it does not run the
>> > apt-get unless some explicit action is taken by the cloud admin. For example:
>> >  - a global flag (systemvm.ipv6.enable) or
>> >  - whenever an ipv6 subnet is created.
>>
>> I don't think the thing would depends on if my statement is strong or confident.
>>
>> I don't think we should let systemvm run apt-get things.
>>
>> According to what I observed in the community, I think probably it's
>> right that people not quite interested in ipv6.
>
> To be clear, I personally am *very* interested in getting IPv6 support.
> I think what we are talking about is the fact that this is experimental for 4.1 (as previously
agreed).
>
>>
>> Probably we just revert the UI for 4.1 branch, and make API usable
>> with updated template.
>
> +1 to that approach.
>
> And another +1 to the implied implementation of IPv6, plus a new template, plus a new
template build process, plus the UI, plus lots of testing...  to make IPv6 support a full
feature for 4.2.
>
>>
>> --Sheng
>>
>> [1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/10785
>> [2] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/11387
>> [3]
>> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/12183/focus
>> =15159
>> >
>> >>
>> >>VMware template may need some work, I remember last time we upgrade
>> >>the vmware template by installing some vmware tools, which didn't
>> >>affect other two templates(KVM and Xen). We would need to do it
>> >>again, Kelven should able to help with it.
>> >>
>> >>--Sheng
>> >>
>> >>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Chip Childers
>> >><chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:23:04PM -0800, Chiradeep Vittal wrote:
>> >>>> Another work-around may be to not require new systemvms unless
>> >>>>the ipv6  feature is required in which case:
>> >>>> A. We provide the bits of the systemvm of whatever Sheng's been
>> >>>>testing  with (with the caveat that it is under development/beta)
>> >>>>B. Write a patch for cloud-early-config (or ssh in after VR is
>> >>>>created) to
>> >>>> apt-get update + apt-get install <ipv6 packages>
>> >>>
>> >>> I like option A.  We had actually already agreed that IPv6 would
>> >>> be considered "experimental" in this release anyway.  So if
>> >>> someone wants to try it out with 4.1, IMO it's OK to have them do
>> >>> a little more work to get the correct system VM.
>> >>>
>> >>> As long as we document it, I think that option A is the right one.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 2/26/13 10:15 PM, "Rohit Yadav" <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:45 AM, Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org>
wrote:
>> >>>> >> When I first report the bug
>> >>>> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-1066
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I've set the target for 4.1 because of ipv6 need.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> When Rohit fixed it, it was changed to 4.2, sorry I didn't
>> >>>> >>aware of that.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Yes Sheng is correct, I was responsible for that because the
>> >>>> >feature/code to create systemvms was not even started and since
>> >>>> >I started working on it after the code freeze, I moved the
>> >>>> >version to
>> >>>> >4.2
>> >>>> >It was only recently when I found out that ipv6 is going to
make
>> >>>> >it in 4.1, in that case the feature is code complete [1] and
>> >>>> >we've an automated jenkins job. The only problems are:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >- Code syncing: I did not cherry-pick the code to 4.1
>> >>>> >- Testing: We need to test against 4.1 branch that the
>> >>>> >appliance/template really works [2]
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >I'm sorry Sheng if ipv6 won't make in 4.1 because of this. But
I
>> >>>> >would try my best to test/fix the template for Xen at least
>> >>>> >before 28/2, I really want to see your feature go in 4.1 Since,
>> >>>> >4.1 is frozen, community would have to make an exception to
at
>> >>>> >least allow the new systemvms templates (if not the code) to
be
>> >>>> >used in case it works fine for all three (kvm, xen and vmware)
>> >>>> >and we could still fix/test ahead of time, we still have few
>> >>>> >more weeks before the release; otherwise we can always use the
same old template.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Comments, suggestions, especially from Chip and ppmc?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Regards.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-1066
>> >>>> >[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-1340
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --Sheng
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Chip Childers
>> >>>> >> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 02:07:37PM -0800, Chandan
>> >>>> >>> Purushothama
>> >>>>wrote:
>> >>>> >>>> Building System VM Template is a 4.2 feature
>> >>>> >>>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-1340.
 The
>> >>>> >>>>system
>> >>>>VM
>> >>>> >>>>Templates posted by Rohit is for the Master branch
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>>>http://jenkins.cloudstack.org/view/master/job/build-systemvm-m
>> >>>>>>>>aster/
>> >>>>>>>>las
>> >>>> >>>>tSuccessfulBuild/artifact/tools/appliance/dist/
. I am
>> >>>> >>>>referring to the ASF 4.1 Release System VM Templates
in my question.
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> So in that case, I guess the only system VMs we have
to use
>> >>>> >>> now
>> >>>>are the
>> >>>> >>> same ones we used for 4.0 (which were inherited from
Citrix
>> >>>>pre-ASF).
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >
>>

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