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From Sebastien Goasguen <>
Subject Re: Summary of why where and how development happens matters
Date Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:46:06 GMT

On Mar 4, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Chip Childers <> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 09:16:36AM -0500, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Chip Childers <> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 02:38:27PM -0800, Animesh Chaturvedi wrote:
>>>> John, I agree we need to merge in logical chunks sooner rather than later
that allows for reviews and feedback sooner. 
>>>> Chip I can take the first stab at putting this in a wiki but would require
collaboration with you and Alex  to get it crisp and clear
>>> That would be quite nice of you Animesh!
>> I just read it all and there does not seem to be a real conclusion especially from
David's concerns.
>> How do we move forward and ensure that the entire community and committers understand
how code is developed in the ASF ?
>> Is this thread a mandatory reading for instance ?
>> -Sebastien
> Part of the challenge is that this is a moving target...  who exactly is
> "in the community" at any point in time is different as time moves on.
> So we're left with thinking about it in terms of (1) current community
> members being educated, (2) ongoing education and processes, and (3) 
> documenting it for the purpose of reference as the community grows / evolves.
> The reason that we decided to push this thread over from private to dev,
> was specifically to support (1) and (3).  For (1), we now have a public 
> reference of the discussion, as well as the effects of it having been quite
> visible (see all the IP clearance threads / work).  For (2), this is the
> responsibility of the community itself (and specifically a
> responsibility of the (P)PMC to keep an eye on things).  We do need to
> continue to work on our processes though...  As for (3), this thread
> plus a wiki page discussing how and why (which Animesh said he'd work
> on) seem to be the best option.
> Other than the points above, do you have any other thoughts about how to
> move forward?  Think I'm missing anything?

I think it's fine, I just don't know how for (3) we will "enforce" people reading the wiki
or the thread.

> -chip

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