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From: Ahmad Emneina <aemneina@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:10 -0800
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation to a TLP?
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+1

Apache cloudstack sounds Excellent!


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:

> I agree with all the comments, from my side I think we're more mature
> now than we were more than half year ago.
>
> We've two releases so far, third one to happen next. We've our release
> timelines figured out. We've pretty active development, so many
> checkins/day, a tons of emails on ML, comments/discussions/patches/fun
> on jira, RB, irc. We've so many users posting their feedback, bug
> reports and whatnot. We've seen an international conference in CCC12,
> a lot more meetups around the world, blogs, tweets, and even a book in
> an non-english language; not to mention real world deployments and
> those awesome IRC chats between sysadmins, users and developers, and
> companies who are contributing developer resources to the project.
> We've regular irc meetings, our ppmc can tackle any project issue, we
> saw licensing issues get resolved for example and they know how to run
> the project and work with the community. Our committers are doing
> great job at collaboratively working with each other, reviewing codes,
> discussing things on ML, irc and whatnot. I think we're learning more
> and more and we should rely less on our mentors as we're maturing, I
> say we're ready.
>
> +1 cloudstack.apache.org would just look awesome-er :)
>
> Regards.
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:54 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Chip Childers
> >>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 09:59:39AM -0500, David Nalley wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Chip Childers
> >>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I started a conversation within cloudstack-private@i.a.o about the
> >>>>>> prospect of graduation from the incubator, and have received
> positive
> >>>>>> reactions from everyone that replied.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I wanted to kick off the discussion here on the public list, to see
> if
> >>>>>> anyone has any concerns or objections to us starting down the path
> of
> >>>>>> trying to graduate?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My general impression is that we have come a long way as a community
> >>>>>> since CloudStack entered the incubator. While there are still rough
> edges
> >>>>>> for us to work through over time, we are dealing with our problems
> quite
> >>>>>> well as a community. The simple reason that I believe we are in a
> >>>>>> position to ask to graduate, is that we are no longer getting value
> from
> >>>>>> the incubation process!  That's a good thing, because it means that
> we
> >>>>>> have managed to learn quite a bit about the ASF processes, rules,
> >>>>>> methods and preferences.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thoughts, comments, discussion?
> >>
> >> Are you thinking to do this prior to 4.2 release ?
> >>
> >> With my individual hat on, I think it might be best to put up a strong
> 4.2 release and then vote for graduation. It would strengthen our case.
> >>
> >
> >
> > So I had similar thoughts originally and actually meant 4.2.
> >
> > Here is what changed my mind:
> >
> > I don't see us actively receiving any benefit from continuing in
> > incubation. We are far from perfect, but the project seems to be
> > policing itself. so I am not seeing a huge incentive to staying.
> >
> > There are also some downsides to remaining in incubation. First
> > there's the label 'incubation' that follows almost everything we do,
> > and is potentially off-putting to potential community members. Second
> > as a community there are a number of things we can't do for ourselves,
> > and thus have to ask permission or for help - this includes votes on
> > releases, creating new user accounts, etc. I think of this as the
> > overhead of being in the incubator.
> >
> > And finally, while this isn't really a big deal from our perspective,
> > we have 8 mentors, and their continued focus on us means more of their
> > time they can't focus on other incubating projects. And given our -dev
> > list volume, I imagine us to be a handful to keep up with.
> >
> > --David
>

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