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From Manan Shah <manan.s...@citrix.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses and VLANs per Tenant
Date Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:25:25 GMT
Hi Likitha,

One additional question. When an admin assigns a Public IP Address range
to an account and if that account creates a VPC, I am assuming they will
still get the Public IP Address from this reserved IP range. Can you
please confirm that this reserved Public IP Address would work for both
Isolated Networks as well as VPC?

Regards,
Manan Shah




On 2/21/13 9:57 PM, "Manan Shah" <manan.shah@citrix.com> wrote:

>Hi Likitha,
>
>I agree with you that the 1st solution seems like a better approach.
>
>Regards,
>Manan Shah
>
>
>
>
>On 2/21/13 9:39 PM, "Likitha Shetty" <likitha.shetty@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi Manan,
>>
>>Thanks for the feedback.  Please find my answers inline.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Likitha
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Manan Shah
>>>Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 10:28 AM
>>>To: Likitha Shetty; cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-
>>>dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>Cc: Manan Shah
>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses and
>>>VLANs per
>>>Tenant
>>>
>>>Hi Likitha,
>>>
>>>Comments in-line belowŠ. Also, please let us know once the FS is
>>>updated.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Manan Shah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 2/19/13 8:59 PM, "Likitha Shetty" <likitha.shetty@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>CCing Manan to comment on the requirements.
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Likitha Shetty [mailto:likitha.shetty@citrix.com]
>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 7:09 PM
>>>>>To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-
>>>>>dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses and
>>>>>VLANs per Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>>This is with respect to Part 1 of the feature 'Dedicate Public IP
>>>>>range'
>>>>>which is
>>>>>already implemented in CS.
>>>>>Following is the observation wrt what is the current CS implementation
>>>>>and the proposed changes to the same,
>>>>>
>>>>>1.       A public VLAN-IP range can only be associated to an account
>>>>>during the
>>>>>creation of the range
>>>>>Proposed change - Admin should be allowed to dedicate a range even
>>>>>after it has been created and also allowed to change the owner
>>>[Manan] Agreed with the functionality.
>>>>>
>>>>>2.       If an admin associates an IP range to an account, all the
>>>>>IP's
>>>>>of that range
>>>>>get acquired by a single isolated network in that account
>>>
>>>[Manan] Why do you think this is the right functionality. What if the
>>>admin wants
>>>to allocate a public IP range to a account and wants to allow the tenant
>>>to create
>>>as many networks as they want and use this public IP range.
>>[Likitha] Manan, I agree. I don't think this is the right behavior. So
>>the following is what currently happens in CS,
>>If an admin associates an IP range to an account, all the IP's of that
>>range get acquired by a single isolated network in that account
>>1. If there are no isolated guest networks, a new network is created and
>>all the IP's from the range are dedicated to the new network
>>2. If there is 1 isolated guest network, all the IP's from the range are
>>dedicated to the existing network
>>3. If there are more than 1 isolated guest network CS throws an error
>>
>>There are 2 possible changes we can introduce to resolve this,
>>1. During dedication we just mark this range of IP's as dedicated. And
>>when the user acquires an IP for a particular network we allow the
>>network to choose from the dedicated range.
>>2. During dedication when an account is chosen, the user also has the
>>option to choose one of the network in the account which can acquire the
>>IP's
>>I prefer the 1st solution because with the 2nd solution, one of the
>>networks of the tenant will acquire all the IP's.
>>Thoughts?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>a.       If there are no isolated guest networks, a new network is
>>>>>created and all
>>>>>the IP's from the range are dedicated to the new network
>>>>>
>>>>>b.      If there is 1 isolated guest network, all the IP's from the
>>>>>range are
>>>>>dedicated to the existing network
>>>>>
>>>>>c.       If there are more than 1 isolated guest network CS throws an
>>>>>error
>>>>>
>>>>>               Proposed change - When an account is chosen, the user
>>>>>also has the option to choose the network in the account which can
>>>>>acquire the IP's
>>>>>
>>>>>3.       When a network that has a dedicated IP range is deleted, the
>>>>>mapping
>>>>>between the account that owned the network and IP range persists. This
>>>>>implies that the admin sees that the range is associated to the
>>>>>account. But the IP's from this range can be acquired by any other
>>>>>account
>>>>>
>>>>>Proposed change  - The IP range should no longer be owned by the
>>>>>account
>>>[Manan] Agree with the proposed change
>>>>>
>>>>>4.       When an account is deleted the IP ranges dedicated to that
>>>>>account get
>>>>>deleted
>>>>>
>>>>>Proposed change - The range should be released back to the free pool
>>>>>instead
>>>
>>>[Manan] Agree with the proposed change. I am assuming if there are any
>>>public
>>>Ips that are in use (Loadbalancing, Port Forwarding, Static-NAT,
>>>etc) then they will remain as is.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>5.       I see a potential starving scenario where a certain account
>>>>>that has
>>>>>dedicated range uses up all the IP's from the free pool as well
>>>>>
>>>>>Proposed change  - Impose a configurable limit like say, at least one
>>>>>range should always belong to the free pool
>>>[Manan] Agree with the proposed change
>>>>>
>>>>>6.       Even if a range is dedicated to an account, any network that
>>>>>belongs to
>>>>>this account including the one that has acquired the IP's can acquire
>>>>>more IP's from the free pool. This is because when we dedicate an IP
>>>>>range to an account, one of the networks of that account acquires all
>>>>>the IP's.
>>>>>
>>>>>Proposed change - During dedication we just mark this range of IP's as
>>>>>dedicated. And only when the user acquires an IP for a particular
>>>>>network we allow the network to choose from the dedicated range. If
>>>>>this change is implemented we will not run into issue #2.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please provide your feedback. I will publish an FS keeping in line
>>>>>with the requirements we decide upon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>>Likitha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Likitha Shetty [mailto:likitha.shetty@citrix.com]
>>>>>Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 5:11 PM
>>>>>To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-
>>>>>dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses and
>>>>>VLANs per Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In CloudStack we can already reserve the public IP range to an account
>>>>>but not release it back to the free pool, so how about we divide this
>>>>>requirement into 2 parts - 1) Dedicate Public IP range 2) Dedicate
>>>>>Guest VLAN's per tenant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Since Part 1 has already implemented, we need to only add the
>>>>>enhancement 'Add releasing these IP Address range to the free pool'. I
>>>>>will create an enhancement ticket to track this?
>>>>>
>>>>>As for Part 2, I will soon publish an FS based on the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Any concerns?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>>Likitha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Likitha Shetty [mailto:likitha.shetty@citrix.com]
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:55 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>>To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-
>>>>>
>>>>>>dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses and
>>>>>
>>>>>>VLANs per Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, before reserving the public ip range we do verify if the
>>>>>
>>>>>>account/domain is exceeding the limit.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank You,
>>>>>
>>>>>>Likitha
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Sailaja Mada [mailto:sailaja.mada@citrix.com]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:50 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>>>To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-
>>>>>
>>>>>>>dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses
and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>VLANs per Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Likitha,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Currently we can reserve the public IP range to an account. I
would
>>>>>
>>>>>>>assume we are cross checking the account/domain limit for the
max no
>>>>>
>>>>>>>of Public IP addresses  while reserving the Public IP to an account?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please clarify.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sailaja.M
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: Likitha Shetty [mailto:likitha.shetty@citrix.com]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:43 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>>>To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org; cloudstack-
>>>>>
>>>>>>>dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses
and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>VLANs per Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>For CreateVlanIpRange API call, we can set the account parameter
to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>specify the VLAN owner. If specified, the Public IP's get allocated
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the account and the VLAN get dedicated to it. Could you please
>>>>>>>clarify
>>>>>
>>>>>>>what the difference between this and the mentioned requirement
is?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>But I couldn't figure out a way to release back the VLAN and the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>allocated IP's to the free pool. I achieved it by deleting the
>>>>>>>VLAN-IP
>>>>>
>>>>>>>range and then adding it back to the system account. Is there
a
>>>>>>>better
>>>>>
>>>>>>>way to do it or do we need to implement this?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Likitha
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>From: Manan Shah [mailto:manan.shah@citrix.com]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 10:11 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses
and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>VLANs per Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks Tamas for bringing up additional requirements. I have
>>>>>>>>updated
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the requirements document.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Manan Shah
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1/4/13 6:32 AM, "Tamas Monos"
>>>>><tamasm@veber.co.uk<mailto:tamasm@veber.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>+1
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Additional to the requirements:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>- Usage must reflect if these are assigned to an Account
so the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>admin can see how many IP is allocated to the account.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>- On allocation it needs to check whether the required
range is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>available (not in use) and conforms with the account limits
>>>>>>>>>(cannot
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>allocate more IPs than maximum IPs per account).
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From: Manan Shah [mailto:manan.shah@citrix.com]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: 22 December 2012 01:03
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>To: cloudstack-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [DISCUSS] Dedicated Resources: Public IP Addresses
and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>VLANs per Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I would like to propose a new feature for dedicating IP
Addresses
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and VLANs per Tenant. I have created a JIRA ticket and
provided
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>requirements at the following location.  Please provide
feedback
>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the requirements.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>JIRA Ticket: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-704
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Requirements:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Dedicated+R
>>>>>>>>>es
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>o
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>u
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>r
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ces
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>+
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-+Public+IP+Addresses+and+VLANs+per+Tenant
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Manan Shah
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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