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From Mike Tutkowski <mike.tutkow...@solidfire.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation to a TLP?
Date Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:08:19 GMT
Can I ask what may be a silly question about voting?  :)

When these votes are put out there, who can vote?  Just committers or
anyone participating in the community?

Thanks!


On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Ahmad Emneina <aemneina@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> Apache cloudstack sounds Excellent!
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I agree with all the comments, from my side I think we're more mature
> > now than we were more than half year ago.
> >
> > We've two releases so far, third one to happen next. We've our release
> > timelines figured out. We've pretty active development, so many
> > checkins/day, a tons of emails on ML, comments/discussions/patches/fun
> > on jira, RB, irc. We've so many users posting their feedback, bug
> > reports and whatnot. We've seen an international conference in CCC12,
> > a lot more meetups around the world, blogs, tweets, and even a book in
> > an non-english language; not to mention real world deployments and
> > those awesome IRC chats between sysadmins, users and developers, and
> > companies who are contributing developer resources to the project.
> > We've regular irc meetings, our ppmc can tackle any project issue, we
> > saw licensing issues get resolved for example and they know how to run
> > the project and work with the community. Our committers are doing
> > great job at collaboratively working with each other, reviewing codes,
> > discussing things on ML, irc and whatnot. I think we're learning more
> > and more and we should rely less on our mentors as we're maturing, I
> > say we're ready.
> >
> > +1 cloudstack.apache.org would just look awesome-er :)
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:54 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <runseb@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:43 PM, David Nalley <david@gnsa.us> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Chip Childers
> > >>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 09:59:39AM -0500, David Nalley wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Chip Childers
> > >>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Hi all,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I started a conversation within cloudstack-private@i.a.o
about
> the
> > >>>>>> prospect of graduation from the incubator, and have received
> > positive
> > >>>>>> reactions from everyone that replied.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I wanted to kick off the discussion here on the public
list, to
> see
> > if
> > >>>>>> anyone has any concerns or objections to us starting down
the path
> > of
> > >>>>>> trying to graduate?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> My general impression is that we have come a long way as
a
> community
> > >>>>>> since CloudStack entered the incubator. While there are
still
> rough
> > edges
> > >>>>>> for us to work through over time, we are dealing with our
problems
> > quite
> > >>>>>> well as a community. The simple reason that I believe we
are in a
> > >>>>>> position to ask to graduate, is that we are no longer getting
> value
> > from
> > >>>>>> the incubation process!  That's a good thing, because it
means
> that
> > we
> > >>>>>> have managed to learn quite a bit about the ASF processes,
rules,
> > >>>>>> methods and preferences.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thoughts, comments, discussion?
> > >>
> > >> Are you thinking to do this prior to 4.2 release ?
> > >>
> > >> With my individual hat on, I think it might be best to put up a strong
> > 4.2 release and then vote for graduation. It would strengthen our case.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > So I had similar thoughts originally and actually meant 4.2.
> > >
> > > Here is what changed my mind:
> > >
> > > I don't see us actively receiving any benefit from continuing in
> > > incubation. We are far from perfect, but the project seems to be
> > > policing itself. so I am not seeing a huge incentive to staying.
> > >
> > > There are also some downsides to remaining in incubation. First
> > > there's the label 'incubation' that follows almost everything we do,
> > > and is potentially off-putting to potential community members. Second
> > > as a community there are a number of things we can't do for ourselves,
> > > and thus have to ask permission or for help - this includes votes on
> > > releases, creating new user accounts, etc. I think of this as the
> > > overhead of being in the incubator.
> > >
> > > And finally, while this isn't really a big deal from our perspective,
> > > we have 8 mentors, and their continued focus on us means more of their
> > > time they can't focus on other incubating projects. And given our -dev
> > > list volume, I imagine us to be a handful to keep up with.
> > >
> > > --David
> >
>



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