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From Animesh Chaturvedi <animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com>
Subject RE: [ANNOUNCE] cloudstack-dev mailing list has stripped "Reply-to" header
Date Wed, 06 Feb 2013 19:52:09 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alex Huang [mailto:Alex.Huang@citrix.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 9:13 PM
> To: Sheng Yang; Brett Porter
> Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE] cloudstack-dev mailing list has stripped "Reply-to"
> header
> 
> The current behavior is not the one I've signed up for.  Maybe I misunderstood
> what was being said myself.  I agree with Brett.  I thought the idea was people
> can cc people directly if they know who they want to get the attention of but
> the mailing list is still the reply-to address.  You are still responsible for the
> topics and tags you're interested in.
> This convention would have made it easier to filter tags and for any mail that
> cced you to a folder.  The recipient should still scan mail subjects without tags
> occasionally but they don't have to worry about missing emails because they
> know full well that if something needs your attention the sender would have
> cced you.
> 
> As the way this is implemented, if you and brett replied to an email separately
> and I replied to your email, Brett is not included anyways so again it loses any
> type of advantage you think this implementation gains.
> 
> --Alex
[Animesh>] I was also under the impression that  there is no change to default reply to
mailing list and we are just agreeing to cc
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:06 PM
> > To: Brett Porter
> > Cc: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] cloudstack-dev mailing list has stripped "Reply-to"
> > header
> >
> > Hi Brett,
> >
> > The "reply-to" header is exactly what bothering us. It make us go
> > through every thread to check if it's the one we've involved or not.
> >
> > And, people would able to update their mail client filter to the get
> > the result they want when we're using current policy, but they can't
> > get the mail they involved when we enforce "reploy-to" policy.
> >
> > I know it's an enforcement for new member reply in the public, but I
> > believe it's better(and not that hard) to be spontaneously.
> >
> > --Sheng
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Brett Porter <brett@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I hate jumping in after the fact, but I wanted to check if that was
> > > the result
> > everyone was expecting? What I understood from the previous thread was
> > that the community would build up a convention of CCing people to get
> > their attention, not that the default reply-to would be changed.
> > >
> > > I'm confused by the claim that the list stripped To/CC, as I can see
> > > examples
> > where they were retained when used [1] [2]. When I reply-to-all on
> > those messages, they are also retained as CCs. Is that not what you were
> seeing?
> > >
> > > The thing that wasn't retained was a CC of the sender if you
> > > reply-to-all,
> > but a better alternative to that would be for people wishing to have
> > that behaviour to CC themselves on mails they send to the list. I know
> > at least one person said they didn't want to be CC'd on list mails,
> > and they could then choose whether or not that happens.
> > >
> > > The reason reply-to the list is the default is so that the default
> > > mode of
> > operation is communicating with the entire community publicly. It is
> > probably most helpful to newer members of the list that aren't yet
> > familiar with the conventions. This change will particularly trip up
> > those that are new to the list, but familiar with other ASF lists
> > where reply-to is predominantly set. If you intend to continue with
> > the change, you may want to consider adding a message trailer that
> > reminds readers of the difference, and points them to the mailing list
> guidelines.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Brett
> > >
> > > [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack-
> > dev/201302.mbox/raw/%3CCA+96GG4YVnrYBjMy4yRQwtpqZLKLYeb39n1kq
> > WCf06Yswx_23w@mail.gmail.com%3E
> > > [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-cloudstack-
> > dev/201302.mbox/raw/%3C20130205083909.GC5795@cloud-2.local%3E
> > >
> > > On 06/02/2013, at 8:44 AM, Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all,
> > >>
> > >> Based on the discussion in
> > >>
> > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.cloudstack.devel/9216 ,
> > >> I've requested Infra team to disable the list from adding a
> > >> reply-to header pointing to the list, which means, from now on,
> > >> every thread you participated, would keep you in the thread, by
> > >> sending mail to you directly(when others are "replying all").
> > >>
> > >> So there is one new rule need to be emphasized: Do remember to
> > >> reply
> > all.
> > >>
> > >> I've updated the mailing list guide line to include:
> > >>
> > >> <quote>
> > >> Always use "Reply to All", to keep everyone and mailing list in the
> > >> thread. Don't be afraid to make a correction if you used "Reply" to
> > >> single people involved by mistake.
> > >> </quote>
> > >>
> > >> I hope this movement would make the communication more effective.
> > >>
> > >> PS: you may want to update your mailing list filter, and set your
> > >> mail client's to "Reply All" by default.
> > >>
> > >> --Sheng
> > >
> > > --
> > > Brett Porter
> > > brett@apache.org
> > > http://brettporter.wordpress.com/
> > > http://au.linkedin.com/in/brettporter
> > > http://twitter.com/brettporter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

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