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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:15:20 -0800
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
From: Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org>
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM,  <kdamage@apache.org> wrote:
> Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button now?

+1 on abusing reply-all button.

--Sheng
>
> Thanks.
>
> -kd
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM
>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>
>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more efficient
> traffic
>>flow.  It is not a must.  It is your responsibility to adopt the
> conventions that
>>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as tagged
> topics
>>and ccing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the follow up?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style?
>>>
>>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC to
>>> respective person boldly, and let them configure their email client so
>>> the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox.
>>
>>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently the
>>mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing list address
> itself
>>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed automatically
>>after that.
>>
>>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It would
> be a
>>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be used to
>>it soon.
>>
>>--Sheng
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style.
>>>>
>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>
>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Alex
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers
>>>>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su <Edison.su@citrix.com>
>>wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>> >>      I am struggling to read all the emails on dev list
>>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so
>>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage us CC  to
>>>>>>> somebody if you think the topic he/she should take a look at? I
>>>>>>> think it will save both of us a lot of time.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Edison,
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I know that I need
>>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm worried about are:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's attention,
>>>>>>> > for VOTE threads or release planning updates, etc...  I struggle
>>>>>>> > to understand how folks want to see this.  I thought that VOTE
>>>>>>> > and ACS41 would be sufficient headers for people to actually pay
>>>>>>> > attention to, but it appears to not be working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the most case, and
>>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community did. But as you feel
>>>>>>> that it's not working well, that's probably means, people are
>>>>>>> lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be improved with CC'ing
>>>>>>> someone directly, but this should not be an issue even with our
>>>>>>> current mailing list policy).
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect that they would
>>>>>>> > actually pay attention to that thread!  I've seen times when
>>>>>>> > people start a thread, but don't respond to queries from others
>>>>>>> > in the community.  This is especially vexing when the thread is
>>>>>>> > about a work that's in progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are not intently
>>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss one or two of
>>>>>>> them in the next day. Or you start a thread one week ago but only
>>>>>>> got response 1 week later, you also may be miss it completely. And
>>>>>>> I personally feel even I am intently to find back my thread, it
>>>>>>> would take 10s even 30s to find my thread - it's very possible I
>>>>>>> missed it when skim for the first time, then realize where is that
>>>>>>> thread? Then check back again(that's what's happened to me this
>>>>>>> morning). That's very annoying. I suppose we would deal with the
>>>>>>> mailing list based on a priority, even we would skim them all. Of
>>>>>>> course on the top of priority list is the threads I involved. But
>>>>>>> I cannot tell which one it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds
>>>>>>> of mails. What's we want, is we can pay attention to our threads
> easily.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot image how can
>>>>>>> Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the mail is only sent
>>>>>>> to mailing list, and they have to go through all the mails to find
>>>>>>> out which one got their attention yesterday(though I also believe
>>>>>>> they got tons of CC or TO mails as well).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > -chip
>