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From Rohit Yadav <bhais...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
Date Thu, 24 Jan 2013 00:17:25 GMT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM,  <kdamage@apache.org> wrote:
>> Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button now?
>
> +1 on abusing reply-all button.

+1 i.e. to say fix your email client and not the ML.

>
> --Sheng
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -kd
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM
>>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more efficient
>> traffic
>>>flow.  It is not a must.  It is your responsibility to adopt the
>> conventions that
>>>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as tagged
>> topics
>>>and ccing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the follow up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style?
>>>>
>>>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC to
>>>> respective person boldly, and let them configure their email client so
>>>> the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox.
>>>
>>>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently the
>>>mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing list address
>> itself
>>>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed automatically
>>>after that.
>>>
>>>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It would
>> be a
>>>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be used to
>>>it soon.
>>>
>>>--Sheng
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Alex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers
>>>>>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su <Edison.su@citrix.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> >>      I am struggling to read all the emails on dev
list
>>>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so
>>>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage
us CC  to
>>>>>>>> somebody if you think the topic he/she should take a look
at? I
>>>>>>>> think it will save both of us a lot of time.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Edison,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I know that
I need
>>>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm worried about
are:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's
attention,
>>>>>>>> > for VOTE threads or release planning updates, etc...
 I struggle
>>>>>>>> > to understand how folks want to see this.  I thought
that VOTE
>>>>>>>> > and ACS41 would be sufficient headers for people to
actually pay
>>>>>>>> > attention to, but it appears to not be working.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the most case,
and
>>>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community did. But as
you feel
>>>>>>>> that it's not working well, that's probably means, people
are
>>>>>>>> lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be improved with
CC'ing
>>>>>>>> someone directly, but this should not be an issue even with
our
>>>>>>>> current mailing list policy).
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect that
they would
>>>>>>>> > actually pay attention to that thread!  I've seen times
when
>>>>>>>> > people start a thread, but don't respond to queries
from others
>>>>>>>> > in the community.  This is especially vexing when the
thread is
>>>>>>>> > about a work that's in progress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are not intently
>>>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss one
or two of
>>>>>>>> them in the next day. Or you start a thread one week ago
but only
>>>>>>>> got response 1 week later, you also may be miss it completely.
And
>>>>>>>> I personally feel even I am intently to find back my thread,
it
>>>>>>>> would take 10s even 30s to find my thread - it's very possible
I
>>>>>>>> missed it when skim for the first time, then realize where
is that
>>>>>>>> thread? Then check back again(that's what's happened to me
this
>>>>>>>> morning). That's very annoying. I suppose we would deal with
the
>>>>>>>> mailing list based on a priority, even we would skim them
all. Of
>>>>>>>> course on the top of priority list is the threads I involved.
But
>>>>>>>> I cannot tell which one it is with a glimpse in tens even
hundreds
>>>>>>>> of mails. What's we want, is we can pay attention to our
threads
>> easily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot image
how can
>>>>>>>> Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the mail is only
sent
>>>>>>>> to mailing list, and they have to go through all the mails
to find
>>>>>>>> out which one got their attention yesterday(though I also
believe
>>>>>>>> they got tons of CC or TO mails as well).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > -chip
>>

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