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From Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
Date Wed, 23 Jan 2013 23:43:45 GMT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get a more efficient traffic
flow.  It is not a must.  It is your responsibility to adopt the conventions that have evolved
on the list to make the list more efficient such as tagged topics and ccing.
>>>
>>> What's the follow up?
>>>
>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style?
>
> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with CC to
> respective person boldly, and let them configure their email client so
> the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox.

One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently
the mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing
list address itself when sending out the mails, and no way to get
people CCed automatically after that.

And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It
would be a common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we
would be used to it soon.

--Sheng
>
> Regards.
>
>>
>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style.
>>
>> --Sheng
>>>
>>> --Sheng
>>>>
>>>> --Alex
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers
>>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison Su <Edison.su@citrix.com>
wrote:
>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>> >>      I am struggling to read all the emails on dev list everyday,
it's just so
>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage us CC  to somebody
>>>>> if you think the topic he/she should take a look at? I think it will
save both of
>>>>> us a lot of time.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Edison,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when I know that I need their
>>>>> > attention, but two caveats that I'm worried about are:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole community's attention,
for
>>>>> > VOTE threads or release planning updates, etc...  I struggle to
>>>>> > understand how folks want to see this.  I thought that VOTE and
ACS41
>>>>> > would be sufficient headers for people to actually pay attention
to,
>>>>> > but it appears to not be working.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in the most case, and that's
>>>>> exactly what's mostly other community did. But as you feel that it's
>>>>> not working well, that's probably means, people are lazy, in
>>>>> nature(though I think it's may be improved with CC'ing someone
>>>>> directly, but this should not be an issue even with our current
>>>>> mailing list policy).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would expect that they would
>>>>> > actually pay attention to that thread!  I've seen times when people
>>>>> > start a thread, but don't respond to queries from others in the
>>>>> > community.  This is especially vexing when the thread is about a
work
>>>>> > that's in progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People are not intently drop
>>>>> the thread, most of time, they just forgot.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe miss one or two of
>>>>> them in the next day. Or you start a thread one week ago but only got
>>>>> response 1 week later, you also may be miss it completely. And I
>>>>> personally feel even I am intently to find back my thread, it would
>>>>> take 10s even 30s to find my thread - it's very possible I missed it
>>>>> when skim for the first time, then realize where is that thread? Then
>>>>> check back again(that's what's happened to me this morning). That's
>>>>> very annoying. I suppose we would deal with the mailing list based on
>>>>> a priority, even we would skim them all. Of course on the top of
>>>>> priority list is the threads I involved. But I cannot tell which one
>>>>> it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds of mails. What's we want,
>>>>> is we can pay attention to our threads easily.
>>>>>
>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot image how can Linus
>>>>> Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if the mail is only sent to mailing
>>>>> list, and they have to go through all the mails to find out which one
>>>>> got their attention yesterday(though I also believe they got tons of
>>>>> CC or TO mails as well).
>>>>>
>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -chip

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