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From Sheng Yang <sh...@yasker.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
Date Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:56:21 GMT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM,  <kdamage@apache.org> wrote:
>> Lol, I am in agreement with you Rohit!
>>
>> I just don't see in the list a CLEAR answer to this thread.
>
> I think after we switch over, we should send out an announcement, and
> list all the things need to be concerned as well: e.g. use reply all
> by default, no off-list chat, etc.

Hi David,

Who should we ask for follow up on this?

--Sheng
>
> --Sheng
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: rohityadav89@gmail.com [mailto:rohityadav89@gmail.com] On Behalf
>>>Of Rohit Yadav
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>
>>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sheng Yang <sheng@yasker.org> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:11 PM,  <kdamage@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Can we get a firm answer if we are go for abusing the reply-all button
>> now?
>>>>
>>>> +1 on abusing reply-all button.
>>>
>>>+1 i.e. to say fix your email client and not the ML.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> -kd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:44 PM
>>>>>>To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or not CC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Rohit Yadav <bhaisaab@apache.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Even if we adopt ccing, it is a convention to get
a more
>>>>>>>>>> efficient
>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>flow.  It is not a must.  It is your responsibility to adopt the
>>>>> conventions that
>>>>>>have evolved on the list to make the list more efficient such as
>>>>>>tagged
>>>>> topics
>>>>>>and ccing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's the follow up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think we agree to try adapt CC style?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think so, I see few emails with CCs in them. Send emails with
CC
>>>>>>> to respective person boldly, and let them configure their email
>>>>>>> client so the email does not show up as two emails in their inbox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One thing need to be done from manager of the mailing list. Currently
>>>>>>the mailing list automatically remove all the CC/TO except mailing
>>>>>>list address
>>>>> itself
>>>>>>when sending out the mails, and no way to get people CCed
>>>>>>automatically after that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And with CC, the most important thing to remember is: Reply All. It
>>>>>>would
>>>>> be a
>>>>>>common mistakes when we start trying it, but I am sure we would be
>>>>>>used to it soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Sheng
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I meant try to adopt CC style.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Alex
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Sheng Yang [mailto:sheng@yasker.org]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Email etiquette CC or
not CC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Chip Childers
>>>>>>>>>>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Edison
Su
>>>>>>>>>>> > <Edison.su@citrix.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>      I am struggling to read all the
emails on dev list
>>>>>>>>>>> >> everyday, it's just so
>>>>>>>>>>> many emails. Is it possible, that enable/allow/encourage
us CC
>>>>>>>>>>> to somebody if you think the topic he/she should
take a look
>>>>>>>>>>> at? I think it will save both of us a lot of
time.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Edison,
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > I'm fine with CC'ing someone specific when
I know that I need
>>>>>>>>>>> > their attention, but two caveats that I'm
worried about are:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > 1 - I find myself often needing the whole
community's
>>>>>>>>>>> > attention, for VOTE threads or release planning
updates,
>>>>>>>>>>> > etc...  I struggle to understand how folks
want to see this.
>>>>>>>>>>> > I thought that VOTE and ACS41 would be sufficient
headers for
>>>>>>>>>>> > people to actually pay attention to, but
it appears to not be
>>>working.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the header should be sufficient in
the most case, and
>>>>>>>>>>> that's exactly what's mostly other community
did. But as you
>>>>>>>>>>> feel that it's not working well, that's probably
means, people
>>>>>>>>>>> are lazy, in nature(though I think it's may be
improved with
>>>>>>>>>>> CC'ing someone directly, but this should not
be an issue even
>>>>>>>>>>> with our current mailing list policy).
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 - If someone starts a thread, I would
expect that they
>>>>>>>>>>> > would actually pay attention to that thread!
 I've seen times
>>>>>>>>>>> > when people start a thread, but don't respond
to queries from
>>>>>>>>>>> > others in the community.  This is especially
vexing when the
>>>>>>>>>>> > thread is about a work that's in progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's exactly what we want to address. People
are not intently
>>>>>>>>>>> drop the thread, most of time, they just forgot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you start e.g. 5 threads in a day, you maybe
miss one or two
>>>>>>>>>>> of them in the next day. Or you start a thread
one week ago but
>>>>>>>>>>> only got response 1 week later, you also may
be miss it
>>>>>>>>>>> completely. And I personally feel even I am intently
to find
>>>>>>>>>>> back my thread, it would take 10s even 30s to
find my thread -
>>>>>>>>>>> it's very possible I missed it when skim for
the first time,
>>>>>>>>>>> then realize where is that thread? Then check
back again(that's
>>>>>>>>>>> what's happened to me this morning). That's very
annoying. I
>>>>>>>>>>> suppose we would deal with the mailing list based
on a
>>>>>>>>>>> priority, even we would skim them all. Of course
on the top of
>>>>>>>>>>> priority list is the threads I involved. But
I cannot tell
>>>>>>>>>>> which one it is with a glimpse in tens even hundreds
of mails.
>>>>>>>>>>> What's we want, is we can pay attention to our
threads
>>>>> easily.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LKML received hundreds of mail every day, I cannot
image how
>>>>>>>>>>> can Linus Torvalds or Andrew Morton survive if
the mail is only
>>>>>>>>>>> sent to mailing list, and they have to go through
all the mails
>>>>>>>>>>> to find out which one got their attention yesterday(though
I
>>>>>>>>>>> also believe they got tons of CC or TO mails
as well).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --Sheng
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > -chip
>>>>>
>>

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