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From Hugo Trippaers <>
Subject RE: CloudStack VS OpenStack - stack wars
Date Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:40:24 GMT
Good luck with the bake-off!

Needless to say, if you need any help you know where to find us ;-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Musayev, Ilya [] 
Sent: woensdag 23 januari 2013 16:11
Subject: Re: CloudStack VS OpenStack - stack wars

Thanks guys.

Two week bake of it is..

Chip Childers <> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Sebastien Goasguen <> wrote:
> Ilya, it's a difficult one to answer on this list.
> However, if you try to remain objective I would point out some reading to your management:
> -Dell is holding off on openstack cloud offering:
> -HP cloud running on openstack is considered a fork (I could not find a more recent article,
so one would need to check this):
> s-them-on-openstack-dont-fork-it-up/
> -And the gartner "warning":
> t=sb
> Other than that, I think the best thing to do is a 2 weeks bake off at your company to
evaluate what works best for your local constraints.


I'd agree with Sebastien...

Do a bake-off.  It's always best to try technologies like this in the lab setting, before
making a decision.  To be fair to OpenStack - use one of the distros that has solved the installation
complexity (like StackOps).  That lab time will give you the technical part of your answer.
 BTW - I'd actually say that an even more fair bake-off would include at least one other option:
 Euca, OpenNebula, or something else.

As for "greater adoption/usage rate", I don't want to get into that argument on the list.
 Commercial interests surrounding both projects are going to continue to wage a marketing
war with each other, and that means that the actual project's are going to be frequently judged
through those filters.  I would consider the number of known
*production* installations of each as a way to cut through the marketing.

One concern that a business leader may have around CloudStack, given the previously mentioned
"marketing war", is the potential longevity of the project.  I would think about it like this:
 to me, the donation of CS to ASF all but assured a long life for the project.
Here, users quickly become contributors (and then committers).  Our project as a great "user"
representation in development discussions, and that means allot to the life of a project.

Also consider that the ASF has a proven track record of success for large OSS projects.  Just
think about the other Apache projects, and the success that they have had in the market (e.g.:
the Hadoop family of projects).  That's why it's so important to me that the community continue
to embrace the "Apache Way".  ;-)


> -Sebastien
> On Jan 23, 2013, at 1:35 AM, "Musayev, Ilya" <> wrote:
>> So would like to start by saying - I'm all for CS - I really like the community,
what it offers and simplicity.
>> With that in mind, I need help defending CloudStack vs OpenStack to my management
>> Basically I was approached by management team saying they attended an executive meeting
and there is a much greater adoption/usage rate for openstack vs cloudstack. I don't want
to mention the numbers - but they are very significant. As a point of comparison, just go
to any job site (I used linkedin job search feature) and use look for number of current opening
for cloudstack and then openstack.
>> With that in mind, I need help defending cloudstack - in house.
>> If anyone did a bake off in house - that is recent, please help and contribute to
this thread.
>> I will the post it on wiki if no-one objects.
>> Thanks
>> ilya

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