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From Rohit Yadav <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Getting CloudStack into the linux distros?
Date Fri, 11 Jan 2013 19:58:12 GMT
I think we should release source tarballs and compiled binaries/artifact tarballs (a lot of
asf projects have downloaded precompiled tarballs of their artifacts, for ex. maven) as well
and leave it to packaging people (specific to a distro) how they want to work with those.

Another idea that comes to my mind is why is it necessary to create distro specific package?
While they are certainly easy to work with, why not have a tarball that say extracts to /opt
and works right away. This kind of packaging will have all the scripts and files in its own
directory like /opt/cloudstack/{bin,doc,lib,etc}. What I'm suggesting is that we publish this
kind of distro and os independent binary packaging and let distro specific package maintainers
decide how they want to package cloudstack.


From: Hugo Trippaers []
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Getting CloudStack into the linux distros?


Back at the collab conference I've been talking to some Fedora people. There is also some
interest there to get CloudStack packages.

With the "new" way of packaging we have an intermediate step between compiling, building our
code and packaging it. In doing this we could leave packaging to other parties completely.
They could work in two ways, take our source and do everything including the maven compile,
or take a "compiled" tarball and use that as the base for a package.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Musayev, Ilya []
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:17 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Getting CloudStack into the linux distros?
> Noa,
> We can roll system-vms as part of build process relying on packages OS repo
> provides.
> As of now, for sys-vms it means - replace oracle java with openjdk. From
> what I see - that's the only blocker.
> Regards
> ilya
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noa Resare []
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:59 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Getting CloudStack into the linux distros?
> Intersting thoughts.
> I would imaging the main blockers from getting from our current state into a
> state where we could be included in the free software oriented distributions
> is the fact that we depend on some binary artifacts for dependencies as well
> as the systemvms. For the projects I have some insight into (Debian, Fedora
> and to a small extent Ubuntu) depending on binaries for compilation and
> dependencies is a no-no. (For good reasons, I might add)
> I think the way forward is to improve our packaging and keep an eye out for
> alternative ways of handling the fetching of dependencies.
> I think that we can improve distribution support a lot without being included
> in the upstream distributions.
> /noa
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Chip Childers
> <>wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Since packaging is a theme yet again (and we seem to be headed in a
> > direction that is useful for a distro packager), I wanted to raise the
> > idea of trying to work with various Linux distros to get CloudStack
> > into their official package repos.  I see the 4.1.0 release as being
> > the ideal release
> >
> > I know that we have had various packagers represented on this list on
> > and off, and I suspect that there are quite a few lurkers hanging
> > around.
> >
> > My question to the community is: does it make sense for the Apache
> > CloudStack community to reach out to various linux disto communities
> > and see if they would be willing to include the software (as well as
> > offer packaging help if needed)?
> >
> > My questions to folks that might be on this list representing
> > different distros: Are you interested?  If so, how can we work with
> > your community most effectively?  Last, CloudStack is obviously still
> > a podling (and our release numbers still reflect "-incubating").  Is
> > our graduation a prerequisite in your opinion?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -chip
> >
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