Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0EEE2D6D2 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 88827 invoked by uid 500); 16 Oct 2012 11:36:47 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cloudstack-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 88530 invoked by uid 500); 16 Oct 2012 11:36:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cloudstack-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 88502 invoked by uid 99); 16 Oct 2012 11:36:46 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:36:46 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of nslater@tumbolia.org designates 209.85.223.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.223.175] (HELO mail-ie0-f175.google.com) (209.85.223.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:36:39 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id c13so9541471ieb.6 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:36:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tumbolia.org; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SiA3CT1ZBReoso/vbLDIYrUlxAXPi0J1WA40bneUDI8=; b=iIJFokWDLXfJYUo3hdTMPXorgquzgLa30j8HP0sGd3GsCUtrzy3QVqz08oY82vhrzP 6ekZ3xyDfZ89jBCsEO1INHjvgdZR8m+0M3f561bhgW2kVckWhllw6i6wD+/UOPW44/rN rfMV1hZMCd7qUfxNdYhhw553BbSmLXcmNUI1A= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=SiA3CT1ZBReoso/vbLDIYrUlxAXPi0J1WA40bneUDI8=; b=lJ+UZza9FsvatfIiX/IIXPGW7zgh0FQyE+cbAkgJu+obEcGk5nYQCMGvABoRuNKn9w hEXrRvmE24VTAa/Mo7HqiztfTf0pzjsljH5GMYV6a8j/Q47YUy06mR0zBhxs2PMAz25w ia55nV/XMOHShOxHBfVjF1bcva4xOiXNifESYou4tZVwPP9KEzE61lTW9UpZL5IRMMzu 8POpuP5L+UK1zhV2dPolWSHxzfzvHyMsLJdBSL7DQHLogJJObqm9xz3YJwALFDJiLVew F64rsOcCxYLVDmaEZgE3wfxOGwWXff7v7UT1OwzDY2ff3A4jv8tftyGy4fIzod3lVzS4 VtHg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.197.170 with SMTP id iv10mr11718951igc.24.1350387378351; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:36:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.63.19 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:36:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [178.250.115.206] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 12:36:18 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What Gartner can't - or won't - tell you about OpenStack Cloud From: Noah Slater To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5396b50feec8404cc2b8f51 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnOYKDYY7HS07f+qWkmoj4nhUpjtu31TQHL26Iix12UCLf4ayGTtu2lrudwRB9ti3oTBUOf X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --bcaec5396b50feec8404cc2b8f51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 to what David said. The best response to most FUD is to a) ignore it, and b) double down on our efforts to make CloudStack rock. Bring on new committers, add more features, ship more software. If there is ever the need to clarify something, it should be done on these lists, to our users. We have very little to gain by clarifying other people's mistakes on blogs, or wherever. The Internet is a big place, and people are often wrong. Me and a friend once humorously coined Ginsparg's Law: =93People being wrong is hardly a revelation.=94 cf. http://xkcd.com/386/ On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 6:11 PM, David Nalley wrote: > Hi folks: > > So a couple of comments. > I appreciate the level of passion seen in this thread - it tells me > that people love CloudStack. That said, open source projects competing > among themselves is almost always fruitless. The world is large enough > for two, three, or more open source IaaS projects. (Just like the > world is big enough for PostgreSQL and MySQL; Red Hat, Ubuntu, SLES, > Slackware, and others.) In short, this project's goal is not to beat > OpenStack. The goal is to be a useful, stable, community-led > Infrastructure-as-a-Service open source project. > > When you see articles that contain misinformation, it's perfect > acceptable to provide corrections. It's also important to catch what > they see as legitimate defects - file those as bugs, and lets correct > them. Far more valuable though, IMO, is that we spend our time doing > the the following two things: > 1. Testing, fixing, and documenting Apache CloudStack so that it is > the best IaaS platform available. (Have you tested the latest 4.0.0 RC > builds?) > 2. Telling the story of how/why we use CloudStack (notice I didn't say > why it's better, or why it beats $foo project) > > To that end, John Kinsella has been working with Apache Infrastructure > to get an Apache CloudStack planet setup where we can aggregate such > blogs, so watch for updates on this front and consider aggregating > your blog there, but don't hesitate to start blogging now :) > > --David > --=20 NS --bcaec5396b50feec8404cc2b8f51--