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From Chip Childers <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Binaries (jars) in our source tree/source releases.
Date Thu, 16 Aug 2012 01:47:01 GMT
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Ewan Mellor <> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Nalley []
>> Sent: 15 August 2012 14:49
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Binaries (jars) in our source tree/source releases.
>> > We need to make a decision soon though.  Is it OK if I set a deadline of EOD
>> tomorrow for your branches to be ready, and then we can have a vote in the
>> IRC meeting on Friday, 17:00 UTC?
>> We can not make decisions in IRC.
>> If it's something we can't get consensus on we should vote on the mailing list,
>> but lets try and avoid voting unless absolutely necessary - votes have to stay
>> open for 72 hours. Consensus is much easier.
> *sigh*
> The Cloud Project That Cannot Be Named gets everything done in IRC.  It's very efficient.
> Ewan.

I don't want to sound like I'm preaching, but I think this is worth sharing:

I'm here because CloudStack was contributed to the ASF...

To me, being part of ASF means that there's a bunch of cultural
practices and policy rules that all of us need to get used to (and
figure out how to get good at as a community). It also means that
we're in an existing foundation with a proven track record for it's
approach.  I'm betting that the proven track record is a good
indicator for our future here.

I've actually found that spending a significant amount of my time
reading through the site and other sources for information
about "the apache way" has been pretty darn helpful.  Things here are
different from most other organizations (foundations, standards
development orgs, corporations), and it's certainly frustrating at
times when it doesn't match my usual project methods / tools.  I, for
one, am certainly used to making unilateral decisions that have big
impacts on projects.  But when you think about it in the ASF context,
there seems to be clear and thoughtful reason behind most things...
you just have to figure out what it is!

For anybody that hasn't done this already, I highly recommend reading
at least the "How the ASF works" page:

Ewan - As for your specific point about efficiency...  We'll be able
to figure this out.  We'll get real-time collaboration on IRC during
meetings (for those that are in attendance), we'll send out notes /
transcript to this list for everyone's reference, and we'll bring back
any questions / decisions to the list for specific debate and timely
resolution (hopefully by consensus).


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