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From Kevin Kluge <Kevin.Kl...@citrix.com>
Subject RE: user credntials
Date Wed, 02 May 2012 17:07:48 GMT
Will, I think Abhi and David and I are all in sync -- telling people that they need to know
how a given cloud is taking passwords is really broken.  I can't think of any precedent for
this in any other software I've seen with pluggable auth backends.  If I were a client developer
and faced with this API I would immediately ask how I'm supposed to know what to do, and likely
make a post to the list expressing how strange and annoying it is.    I get the sense that
you think only the CS developers need to know this but we have many examples of applications
that have written to the login API already and judging by all the interest post-Apache-announcement
I'm sure more are coming.  Maybe you are right that API keys are preferable but I don't think
we can use that as an excuse for a fundamentally broken API.  Can you agree that we have to
transition to cleartext exclusively?   

-kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Chan [mailto:will.chan@citrix.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:08 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: user credntials
> 
> In your example, they would need to know how the cloud is accepting the
> password.  Perhaps, they can give multiple options.  It's not an easy way to
> solve but multiple parameters is not going to solve this solution because (1)
> there may be other ways to pass in the password and (2) I suppose they
> could just send it via all possible parameters but that's not very practical.
> 
> The session-based login is primarily used for easier UI development.  In all
> other clients like android, it may make more sense to use the API keys.
> 
> Will
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: David Nalley [david@gnsa.us]
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:35 PM
> To: cloudstack-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: user credntials
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:11 PM, Will Chan <will.chan@citrix.com> wrote:
> 
> > The parameter for password is simply just used to pass information from
> the client to CS.  It's really up to the AuthenticatorAdapter to decide how it
> should use the parameter.  Since by default, MD5 hashed password is being
> passed in, the default adapter is just doing a simple comparison againt the
> DB.  If suddenly the admin wishes to use the LDAPAuthenticator, he should
> require that the password to be in plain-text (assuming that is what is used to
> compare against).  We don't need need two parameters for this.  You can
> also imagine someone wanting SHA-256, etc. for their password encryption.
> The only way I can think having two separate parameters is if there is a use-
> case for using multiple adapters, each requiring their own parameter but I
> really doubt this would ever be used.  It would mean two different auth DB.
> >
> > Will
> >
> > ________________________________________
> >
> So let me point out a practical example where this fails. Cumulus, the android
> client to CloudStack, the login command to get a token and use session based
> auth initially. The endpoint could be any CloudStack deployment, and the
> end user may not know whether or not the operator is using native auth or
> an external service. They take in username and password from the user, do
> they md5 the password or not? How can they tell what they should be
> passing? (same problem with multiple parameters unless we accept all and
> only use one). And there are plenty of possible apps that would behave in
> this manner.
> 
> --David

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