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To: "user@cassandra.apache.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1879531-2046135873-1360173387=:75175" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ---1879531-2046135873-1360173387=:75175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone has first hand experience with Zing JVM which is claimed to be pause= less? How do they charge, per CPU?=0A=0AThanks=0A-Wei=0A=0A________________= ________________=0A From: Edward Capriolo =0ATo: use= r@cassandra.apache.org =0ASent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 7:07 AM=0ASubje= ct: Re: Why do Datastax docs recommend Java 6?=0A =0A=0AOracle already did = this once, It was called jrockit :)=0A=0Ahttp://www.oracle.com/technetwork/= middleware/jrockit/overview/index.html=0A=0ATypically oracle acquires they = technology and then the bits are merged with the standard JVM.=C2=A0=0A=0AO= n Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Viktor Jevdokimov wrote:=0A=0AI would prefer Oracle to own an Azul=E2=80=99s Zing JVM ov= er any other (GC) to provide it for free for anyone :)=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Best re= gards / Pagarbiai=0A>Viktor Jevdokimov=0A>Senior Developer=0A>=0A>Email: Vi= ktor.Jevdokimov@adform.com=0A>Phone: +370 5 212 3063, Fax +370 5 261 0453= =0A>J. Jasinskio 16C, LT-01112 Vilnius, Lithuania=0A>Follow us on Twitter: = @adforminsider=0A>Take a ride with Adform's Rich Media Suite =0A>=0A>Di= sclaimer: The information contained in this message and attachments is inte= nded solely for the attention and use of the named addressee and may be con= fidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are reminded that the= information remains the property=0A of the sender. You must not use, discl= ose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If you have received t= his message in error, please contact the sender immediately and irrevocably= delete this message and any copies. =0A>=0A>From:jeffpk@gmail.com [mailto:= jeffpk@gmail.com] =0A>Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 02:23=0A>To: user@= cassandra.apache.org=0A>Subject: Re: Why do Datastax docs recommend Java 6?= =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Oracle now owns the sun hotspot team, which is inarguably the= highest powered java vm team in the world. Its still really the epicenter = of all java vm development.=0A>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry=0A>= =0A>________________________________=0A> =0A>From: "Ilya Grebnov" =0A>Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 14:09:33 -0800=0A>To: =0A>ReplyTo: user@cassandra.apache.org =0A>Subject: RE: Why do= Datastax docs recommend Java 6?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Also, what is particular reas= on to use Oracle JDK over Open JDK? Sorry, I could not find this informatio= n online.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Thanks, =0A>Ilya=0A>From:Michael Kjellman [mailto:mk= jellman@barracuda.com] =0A>Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:29 AM=0A>To: = user@cassandra.apache.org=0A>Subject: Re: Why do Datastax docs recommend Ja= va 6?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>There have been tons of threads/convos on this.=0A>=C2= =A0=0A>In the early days of Java 7 it was pretty unstable and there was pre= tty much no convincing reason to use Java 7 over Java 6.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Now t= hat Java 7 has stabilized and Java 6 is EOL it's a reasonable decision to u= se Java 7 and we do it in production with no issues to speak of.=0A>=C2=A0= =0A>That being said there was one potential situation we've seen as a commu= nity where bootstrapping new node was using 3x more CPU and getting signifi= cantly less throughput. However, reproducing this consistently never happen= ed AFAIK.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>I think until more people use Java 7 in production a= nd prove it doesn't cause any additional bugs/performance issues Datastax w= ill update their docs. Until now I'd say it's a safe bet to use Java 7 with= Vanilla C* 1.2.1. I hope this helps!=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Best,=0A>Michael=0A>=C2= =A0=0A>From: Baron Schwartz =0A>Reply-To: "user@cassandra.= apache.org" =0A>Date: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 = 7:21 AM=0A>To: "user@cassandra.apache.org" =0A>S= ubject: Why do Datastax docs recommend Java 6?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>The Datastax do= cs repeatedly say (e.g.=0Ahttp://www.datastax.com/docs/1.2/install/install_= jre) that Java 7 is not recommended, but they don't say why. It would be he= lpful to know this. Does anyone know? =0A>=C2=A0=0A>The same documentation = is referenced from the Cassandra wiki, for example,=C2=A0http://wiki.apache= .org/cassandra/GettingStarted=0A>=C2=A0=0A>- Baron ---1879531-2046135873-1360173387=:75175 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="-1879531-2021165619-1360173387=:75175" ---1879531-2021165619-1360173387=:75175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone has first hand= experience with Zing JVM which is claimed to be pauseless? How do they cha= rge, per CPU?

Thanks
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