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From "Hiller, Dean" <>
Subject Re: 1000's of CF's.
Date Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:30:33 GMT
I do believe they could solve this if they wanted to.  We are now streaming 5000 virtual CF's
into one CF with PlayOrm.  Our plan now is to use storm to do the processing in place of map/reduce.
 Each virtual CF can also be partitioned(you choose the column that is the partition key).

So I would love to see cassandra have a way to create virtual CF with a row key prefix identifying
that virtual CF.  Right now however, until cassandra has something, we are moving forward
with our solution as it seems to work great so far.  And we don't have time to wait either.

In PlayOrm, each index of each partition has the full list of keys so I will probably just
have storm work off the indices of every partition in the virtual CF so I can map/reduce a
virtual CF just fine.


From: Vanger <<>>
Reply-To: "<>" <<>>
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:37 AM
To: "<>" <<>>
Subject: Re: 1000's of CF's.

Main problem that this "sweet spot" is very narrow. We can't have lots of CF, we can't have
long rows and we end up with enormous amount of huge composite row keys and stored metadata
about that keys (keep in mind overhead on such scheme, but looks like that nobody really cares
about it anymore). And this approach is bad for running Hadoop jobs on it (for now i'm pointing
at this as main problem for me right now) and for creating secondary indices (lots of rows
- high cardinality, right?), also some 'per-CF option' could become a limitation factor. And
bad thing about it - this just doesn't look extendable, you just must end up with 'not-so-many'
big CFs - that's a dead end. Maybe it wouldn't look that bad if you try not to associate CF
with any real entity and call them 'Random stuff store'.
I just hope that i'm wrong and there's some good compromise between three ways of storing
data - long rows, many 'very-composite' rows and partitioning by CF. Which way is preferable
to run complicated analytics queries on top of it in fair amount of time? How people handle

W/ best regards,

On 10.10.2012 2:15, Ben Hood wrote:

I'm not a Cassandra dev, so take what I say with a lot of salt, but
AFAICT, there is a certain amount of overhead in maintaining a CF, so
when you have large numbers of CFs, this adds up. From a layperson's
perspective, this observation sounds reasonable, since zero-cost CFs
would be tantamount to being able to implement secondary indexes by
just adding CFs. So instead of paying the for the overhead (or
ineffectiveness of high-cardinaility secondary indexes, which ever way
you want to look at it), you are expecting a free lunch by just
scaling out in terms on new CFs. I would imagine that under the
covers, the layout of Cassandra has a sweet spot of a smallish number
of CFs (i.e. 10s),  but these can practically have as many rows as you

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Vanger <><>

So what solution should be for cassandra architecture when we need to make
Hadoop M\R jobs and not be restricted by number of CF?
What we have now is fair amount of CFs  (> 2K) and this number is slowlygrowing so we already
planing to merge partitioned CFs. But our next goal is
to run hadoop tasks on those CFs. All we have is plain Hector and custom ORM
on top of it. As far as i understand VirtualKeyspace doesn't help in our
Also i dont understand why not implement support for many CF ( or build-in
partitioning ) on cassandra side. Anybody can explain why this can or cannot
be done in cassandra?

Just in case:
We're using cassandra 1.0.11 on 30 nodes (planning upgrade on 1.1.* soon).

W/ best regards,

On 04.10.2012 0:10, Hiller, Dean wrote:

Okay, so it only took me two solid days not a week.  PlayOrm in master
branch now supports virtual CF's or virtual tables in ONE CF, so you can
have 1000's or millions of virtual CF's in one CF now.  It works with all
the Scalable-SQL, works with the joins, and works with the PlayOrm command
line tool.

Two ways to do it, if you are using the ORM half, you just annotate


So it's stored in sharedCf with the table name of MyVirtualCfName(in command
line tool, use MyVirtualCfName to query the table).

Then if you don't know your meta data ahead of time, you need to create
DboTableMeta and DboColumnMeta objects and save them for every table you
create and can use TypedRow to read and persist (which is what we have a
project doing).

If you try it out let me know.  We usually get bug fixes in pretty fast if
you run into anything.  (more and more questions are forming on stack
overflow as well ;) ).


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