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From Adam Samet <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSSION] High-volume counters in Cassandra
Date Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:46:16 GMT
If a new api method is added for counters, the thrift interface Clock
structure wouldn't be needed, but that's getting to be an
implementation detail.  Whether 1072 is an appropriate step forward is
tangential to that issue.

The patch has been refactored several times based on JIRA feedback.
If the objections are code level, perhaps it's time to take this to
code review to address specific concerns.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Jonathan Ellis <> wrote:
> I still have not seen any response to my other misgivings about 1072
> that I have raised on the ticket.  Specifically, the existing patch is
> based around a Clock structure that, since 580 is a dead end, is no
> longer necessary.
> I'm also uneasy about adding 200k of code that meshes as poorly with
> the rest of Cassandra as this does.  The more it can be split off into
> separate code paths, the better.  Adding its own thrift method is a
> good start, but it should go deeper than that.
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Johan Oskarsson <> wrote:
>> In the last few months Digg and Twitter have been using a counter patch that lets
Cassandra act as a high-volume realtime counting system. Atomic counters enable new applications
that were previously difficult to implement at scale, including realtime analytics and large-scale
systems monitoring.
>> Discussion
>> There are currently two different suggestions for how to implement counters in Cassandra.
The discussion has so far been limited to those following the jiras (CASSANDRA-1072 and CASSANDRA-1421)
closely and we don’t seem to be nearing a decision. I want to open it up to the Cassandra
community at large to get additional feedback.
>> Below are very basic and brief introductions to the alternatives. Please help us
move forward by reading through the docs and jiras and reply to this thread with your thoughts.
Would one or the other, both or neither be suitable for inclusion in Cassandra? Is there a
third option? What can we do to reach a decision?
>> We believe that both options can coexist; their strengths and weaknesses make them
suitable for different use cases.
>> (see design doc)
>> How does it work?
>> A node is picked as the primary replica for each write. The context byte array for
a column contains (primary replica ip, value). Any previous data with the same ip is reconciled
with the new increment and put as the column value.
>> Concerns raised
>> * an increment in flight will be lost if the wrong node goes down
>> * if an increment operation times out it’s impossible to know if it has been executed
or not
>> The most recent jira comment proposes a new API method for increments that reflects
the different consistency level guarantees.
>> How does it work?
>> Each increment for a counter is stored as a (UUID, value) tuple. The read operations
will read all these increment tuples for a counter, reconcile and return. On a regular interval
the values are all read and reconciled into one value to reduce the amount of data required
for each read operation.
>> Concerns raised
>> * poor read performance, especially for time-series data
>> * post aggregation reconciliation issues
>> Again, we feel that both options can co-exist, especially if the 1072 patch uses
a new API method that reflects its different consistency level guarantees. Our proposal is
to accept 1072 into trunk with the new API method, and when an implementation of 1421 is completed
it can be accepted alongside.
> --
> Jonathan Ellis
> Project Chair, Apache Cassandra
> co-founder of Riptano, the source for professional Cassandra support

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