Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cassandra-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 7577 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2009 16:34:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 24 Aug 2009 16:34:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 76184 invoked by uid 500); 24 Aug 2009 16:08:10 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-cassandra-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 76168 invoked by uid 500); 24 Aug 2009 16:08:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact cassandra-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: cassandra-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list cassandra-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 76158 invoked by uid 99); 24 Aug 2009 16:08:09 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:08:09 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of michael.greene@gmail.com designates 209.85.132.245 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.132.245] (HELO an-out-0708.google.com) (209.85.132.245) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:08:00 +0000 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c38so727909ana.0 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=syUsS6LIlZ/OBNa6sWEaNba7OUqUbNE7mxku9Z/JpQc=; b=UICt8W8tH0+m9UNHqAK5Nw4E6DTb56cbUs1b6NahC5ggCjGJJNUyjaPqtwmKlkbNBS Aeww1JWf0f9rQ00iWasfoKRtLwBO+ohEKcoJVeBuMi+/QNdpVi40YhX6w6+Heno0lsUH nwFcOWczqJqIpv+eOO5XLQyFsNRg205yMVr58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=c6IZ4x3a83/EUuEIsGpsjC836HCKgxNcTsGEyctDrhtdAb8NMkMmIkvfugnS6wcq4M VlWUcrY8C3evTe2f0cl34Tq0ho7ap+Wtt4FSyAKYF10NpnfEGWXF+DnsDYEDFkYNDQFW ku4PSb0FPRjyve0ZWSQcqb8aWW2Exe57NVnXY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.145.22 with SMTP id x22mr3256012ann.154.1251130059141; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <05BE7312-0D04-4D13-8762-A77777370A28@chrisgoffinet.com> References: <876ef97a0908240826m26175c31oa8509c83c02ad115@mail.gmail.com> <876ef97a0908240850l907aeddwde4c4835595671d8@mail.gmail.com> <05BE7312-0D04-4D13-8762-A77777370A28@chrisgoffinet.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:07:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Data model names, reloaded From: Michael Greene To: cassandra-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d386febe32330471e56a6f X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --0016e6d386febe32330471e56a6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that this is too late for 0.4. 0.4 is a huge improvement over 0.3, we've already released a beta, a second beta should be forthcoming, and we need to get this in users' hands. I'm not sure I agree with Jonathan's corollary, as there should always be room for making changes which would benefit our users, even major API changes (after 1.0, this might be a different story). Evan, Ryan, et al. have put a lot of work into this, and their proposals are sound. However, there are now several groups using Cassandra in production or pre-production systems that would like to see a 0.4 release out soon. Michael On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Chris Goffinet wrote: > +1 I am going to agree with Jonathan. I have been quiet mostly on this > thread, just to see how things played out. I stopped reading after awhile, > as I feel we really need to move past this for now, and defer. Improving > cassandra's performance, feature set and stability should be our focus IMHO. > Right now we have features that make it difficult to deploy into production. > Until we have those things resolved and working, having major user adoption > isn't going to help until we get all of those things worked out. > > > > On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:53 AM, Jonathan Ellis wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Toby DiPasquale >> wrote: >> >>> That was not my intent. Evan's provided some good stuff. However, I >>> think your original post would not have incited my post if you'd >>> provided some point at which this could be re-evaluated instead of >>> implying that the subject needed to be dropped altogether. Do you have >>> a suggestion as to when this could be revisited? >>> >> >> The corollary to "it's too late for 0.4" is "it's too late, period." >> >> Every project reaches a point past which it's no longer worth >> revisiting certain fundamental decisions. IMO Cassandra has passed >> that point for "what do we call a Column." >> >> -Jonathan >> > > --0016e6d386febe32330471e56a6f--