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From Matthieu Riou <matthieu.r...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Website [WAS Re: Wiki]
Date Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:20:44 GMT
I didn't forget :)

Now anybody logged in Confluence can create and edit pages. Have fun!

Matthieu

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Avinash Lakshman <
avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please do. I will catch you on chat if you forget :).
>
> Avinash
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Matthieu Riou <matthieu.riou@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Matthieu Riou <matthieu.riou@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > So let's put it this way: anybody fundamentally against using Forrest
>> for
>> > the website and opening up Confluence to the whole community (as long as
>> you
>> > signup) as the standard wiki?
>> >
>>
>> If nobody yells by Wednesday, I'll go ahead and open up Confluence. Feel
>> free to remind me if I forget :)
>>
>> Matthieu
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Matthieu
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Avinash Lakshman <
>> > avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I had started putting together something on the Confluence WIKI. Not
>> sure
>> >> how it fits together on the big scheme of things.
>> >> Avinash
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Johan Oskarsson <johan@oskarsson.nu>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > We now have a first version of the site running:
>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra
>> >> >
>> >> > However, Matthieu commented on the wiki ticket here:
>> >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-15
>> >> > that he wants a decision on the site's future before moving on.
>> >> >
>> >> > The two options as far as I know:
>> >> >
>> >> > 1. Store the site and any source material in svn, publish to the
>> >> > apache.org site. It could be raw html, forrest xml+generated html,
a
>> >> > script that generates html or something similar.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2. Use a wiki as the site. Confluence?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Personally I prefer option 1, so we can accept website patches from
>> >> anyone
>> >> > and leave the wiki as a publicly editable place for everyone to share
>> >> > information.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't care if we use Forrest or not for the site, it was just an
>> easy
>> >> way
>> >> > to get started and a lot of Apache projects use it already. If option
>> 1
>> >> is
>> >> > chosen we can discuss what tool to use later.
>> >> >
>> >> > What does everyone think? Should we initiate a vote about it?
>> >> >
>> >> > /Johan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Sandeep Tata wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think the Forrest site is great to start with. If you check it
>> into
>> >> >> the repository, others will be able to contribute patches much
like
>> >> >> code and the burden of building up the website will not fall on
just
>> >> >> the committers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A publicly editable wiki might work too, but if only the committers
>> >> >> have edit permissions -- much of the work for building the site
>> falls
>> >> >> on them. We want to quickly get to a point where the committers
can
>> >> >> review patches and guide the community in adding value to the code.
>> >> >> Not be bogged down in editing websites :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>> >> matthieu.riou@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Avinash Lakshman <
>> >> >>> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>  I guess. Isn't that easier? Is there something else that is
the
>> norm?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>  No norm, just several different options. I personally
like when
>> the
>> >> >>> source
>> >> >>> used to generate the site can be checked in the repository
but
>> that's
>> >> >>> mostly
>> >> >>> a matter of taste. This for example is generated with Forrest:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://ant.apache.org/
>> >> >>> http://lucene.apache.org/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This is generated by a set of Ruby scripts from Textile files:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://buildr.apache.org/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> And this is generated from Confluence using custom templates:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> >> >>> http://ode.apache.org/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> FWIW, a Forrest site has already been contributed so that could
be
>> >> used
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> start with until a sexier option is implemented?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Matthieu
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>  Avinash
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Matthieu Riou <
>> >> >>>> matthieu.riou@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>  On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Avinash Lakshman <
>> >> >>>>> avinash.lakshman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>  I just got myself added as an "Author" maybe couple
of days ago.
>> I
>> >> >>>>>> will
>> >> >>>>>> start working on it. But there are other things
too on my plate.
>> I
>> >> >>>>>> will
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> get
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> around to it soon
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>  So does that mean that you plan to use the wiki
as a website?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Matthieu
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>  Avinash
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Sandeep Tata <
>> >> sandeep.tata@gmail.com
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> Prashant, Avinash, Jiansheng...
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Any update on the website?
>> >> >>>>>>> It has been several weeks since the project
got into the
>> >> incubator,
>> >> >>>>>>> but we still don't seem to have a website.
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I think using Johan's Forrest generate site
to start with is a
>> >> good
>> >> >>>>>>> idea. Are you guys considering anything else?
What's holding us
>> >> up?
>> >> >>>>>>> Do
>> >> >>>>>>> you need any help with this?
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Sandeep
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Matthieu
Riou <
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> matthieu.riou@gmail.com
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Johan
Oskarsson <
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> johan@oskarsson.nu
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>  Ok, I understand.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On the topic of website I have suggested
and created a basic
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Forrest
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> generated site here:
>> >> >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CASSANDRA-2
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>  Nice!
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>  No response from any of the committers
on the jira or on the
>> >> lists
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> yet
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> though.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>  I believe they weren't subscribed
yet :) So what do other
>> folks
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> think
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> about
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> the website and using Forrest at least
to get started?
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >> >>>>>>>> Matthieu
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>  /Johan
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM,
Johan Oskarsson <
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> johan@oskarsson.nu
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>  Out of curiosity is there a reason
to use a wiki without
>> >> public
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> edit
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> access? Apache Hadoop, for example, have had
one that is
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> editable
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> by
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> anyone and they have not had any problems afaik.
On the
>> contrary
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> believe a lot of useful updates wouldn't happen
with a wiki
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> restricted
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> to committers only.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>  I've started this way just
because I don't know how the
>> wiki
>> >> is
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> going
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> to
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> be
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> used by the project yet.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Some projects use the Confluence
wiki as their website and
>> even
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> bundle
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> it
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> as
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> part of their distribution. In
that context, only committers
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> should
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> be
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> able
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> to contribute. I don't think it's
the case for Hadoop, they
>> >> have
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> separate
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Forrest-generated website.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> So depending on how the wiki is
going to be used and how the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Apache
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Casssandra website will be built, we can decide
to have it work
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> either
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> way.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Matthieu
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>  /Johan
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu Riou wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've just created a new
Confluence space for Cassandra,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Avinash's
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> planning
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> to use it and most projects
find it handy anyway. If other
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> committers
>> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> want
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> edit access to it, please
send me your Confluence user
>> name.
>> >> If
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> you
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>> don't
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> have one yet, just register there:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Matthieu
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

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