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From Jun Rao <jun...@almaden.ibm.com>
Subject Re: Development process (was: working together)
Date Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:33:11 GMT

+1 from me too.

Jun
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Thanks Sandeep.

Would we all be comfortable adopting this "process" going forward,
hopefully reducing friction, bugs and problems in general?

I assume +1 from me and Sandeep so far.

/Johan

Sandeep Tata wrote:
> Johan, the wiki pages are great! I think they will help iron out our
> process for contributing and committing.
>
> (I added a pointer to the formatting conventions in HowToContribute ,
> can't think of anything else to add)
>
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CSDR/HowToContribute
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CSDR/HowToCommit
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CSDR/HowToRelease
>>
>> A short summary and description of why these points make sense:
>> * "Patch-only" evolution of code, attached to a jira issue
>> * At least one +1 on each issue before it can be committed, -1 stops the
>> patch.
>>
>> Those two points would make sure that if someone disagrees with a
>> change, a refactoring etc, they have a chance to voice their opinion and
>> steer it into the right direction.
>>
>>
>> * Trunk is not considered stable, but must pass unit tests
>> * Any non trivial change should include unit tests
>> * When a branch is created to prepare for a release extra effort is put
>> into QA to make sure the release is as stable as possible. Point
>> releases would then go out to fix issues found after the release was
done.
>> * Once a release has been out for a while and people are using it in
>> production without problems it is upgraded to "stable" status.
>>
>> The purpose of these points is to encourage a "vibrant codebase", to not
>> be afraid of for example refactoring if it improves the code readability
>> or testability. I appreciate that Cassandra is a complex system and that
>> changes might have unwanted side effects, but hopefully adding tests and
>> code reviews will reduce those. As a final catch-all the release
>> candidate and "stable release" process should help end users avoid bugs.
>>
>>
>> Thoughts on the wiki pages? Do they help resolve some of the problems?
>>
>> /Johan
>>
>> Sandeep Tata wrote:
>>> Thoughts inline:
>>>
>>>> So the problems I am seeing are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. We elected a committer without real community consensus. The
>>>> barrier of entry was unnatural low on this one. On the other hand we
>>>> need non-FB committers for the graduation. The more the better. (No
>>>> reason for low entry barrier though!)
>>> I think everyone (including the FB guys) agree that Jonathan has been
>>> working hard to help move the codebase forward. He has been quick to
>>> revert changes that broke the code that the FB guys had in the
>>> pipeline and have committed since. I think much of the friction comes
>>> from not having a process, which takes us to Torsten's #2:
>>>
>>>> 2. A missing definition of development process:
>>>>  - What is considered a valid code review?
>>>>  - How much are changes discussed up-front?
>>>>  - What is the roadmap? ...for whom? (weighted as a community)
>>> This is probably where we need most work. Here are some simple
suggestions:
>>>
>>> a) I'm a fan of a "patch-only" evolution of code. All changes come
>>> from patches, and no changes come from anywhere else (eg. the
>>> committers IDE). Even if it is something as simple as cleaning up
>>> comments or changing a variable name.
>>> b) A patch gets applied if at least one reviewer +1s it, and no one -1s
it.
>>> c) A patch should pass all unit tests. Any significant patch should
>>> come with additional unit tests.
>>>
>>> Some of this, of course, will mean "more work" for the committers.
>>> Sure, but such processes are essential if the project is to grow
>>> beyond a small group of core contributors.
>>>
>>>> 3. Is trunk considered "stable"? Or aren't we missing a stable branch
>>>> for the required stability? Once we have the separation between stable
>>>> and trunk: Will patches really find it's way from trunk into stable?
>>>> Is Facebook OK with that approach. Will everyone cope with the
>>>> additional work of merging? Would it be useful ...or overkill to use
>>>> merge tracking?
>>> I agree with Matt. Trunk should pass build + tests, but should not be
>>> trusted for production. I think 0.2 was supposed to be a stable
>>> branch. Avinash, Prashant -- what are your thoughts on this? Are you
>>> guys comfortable with this approach? Do you foresee any problems?
>>>
>>> Basically, use a "release" branch for production. The release branches
>>> only admit stability patches. New feature and cleanup patches go to
>>> trunk. Folks running Cassandra in production only need to be nervous
>>> when moving from one release to next, and not worry too much about
>>> every single patch breaking their running system.
>>>
>>>> 4. Real world testing feedback is not publicly available. So the
>>>> feedback on changes will only slowly reach the community. This is not
>>>> easy for a project like this. But is there a faster way to provide
>>>> testing feedback? (IIRC Yahoo was providing testing feedback for
>>>> Hadoop. They even try to auto-apply patches from JIRA)
>>> With time, FB may be able to provide feedback from their "divert some
>>> traffic to the new version" system. Auto-applying patches from JIRA
>>> sounds a little ambitious right now :-)
>>>
>>>> 5. Is there really no code ownership issue. Working on a code base for
>>>> 1-2 years can get you attached to the code you have written. Can
>>>> everyone really let go? Is it OK if someone else really just rewrites
>>>> parts of what you wrote? (No, it doesn't mean the original code was
>>>> bad! But maybe with the new code it is more readable ...
>>>> understandable - especially for someone who hasn't spent the past
>>>> years working on that code) Is there room for refactoring?
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is a tough situation but I hope everyone sees this as an
>>>> opportunity. Please let's discuss this openly in civilize manner.
>>>> Focusing on how to solve these points rather than looking at the past.
>>>> Please talk to each other. Can you/we work this out together?
>>> I agree -- thanks for initiating this conversation!
>>
>>


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