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Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 20:05:49 +0200
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Subject: Re: moving towards semantic versioning for cordova?
From: Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io>
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oh yes. recent changes that burn the build team come to mind too.

the policy we're gunning for is we never break anything, we DEPRECATE
and warn for 6 months.

the practice might vary of course when we're dealing w/ vendor missteps.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
> Indeed, all of us in this project need to be more careful about that, Bri
> remember your "cut off your arms and legs and left you by an unforgiving
> flow of magma" blog post on phonegap.com ?
>
> On 10/4/12 10:36 AM, "Mike Reinstein" <reinstein.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I don't think we have the luxury of knowing when something breaks
>>
>>Granted, and that's not something we can really fix. *However, we can
>>identify when our API changes in breaking ways*.
>>
>>-Mike
>>
>>On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>>
>>> I personally don't think semver really did fix anything in ruby-land
>>> (but thats my opinion). Ruby has a crummy package system.The only one
>>> worse is Pythons.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, I added a little bit about our releases in the wiki [1] and a
>>> much longer post to the phonegap blog [2] to help folks better
>>> understand the rational. To echo Fil, I don't think we have the luxury
>>> of knowing when something breaks given the cat and mouse nature of the
>>> project relationship to mobile operating system vendors.
>>>
>>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/cordova/CuttingReleases
>>> [2]
>>>
>>>http://phonegap.com/2012/04/12/rolling-releases-how-apache-cordova-become
>>>s-phonegap-and-why/
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Mike Reinstein
>>> <reinstein.mike@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I certainly don't meant to rehash something that has been discussed
>>> > ad-nauseam. Nor am I advocating we change how often we release. I
>>>think
>>> the
>>> > key distinction is picking a version number that indicates breaking
>>> change,
>>> > compatible changes/new features, vs patches. Semantic versioning
>>> provides a
>>> > clean way to do specify this. In npm and ruby land, this has largely
>>> fixed
>>> > dependency hell, and has led to more reliable code re-use.
>>> >
>>> > Just a thought.
>>> >
>>> > http://semver.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> This discussion again :)
>>> >>
>>> >> http://apache.markmail.org/thread/l2et3r5v35efprgd
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> With a point release coming out every month or so that limits us to
>>> being
>>> >> able to "break" things every 10 months or so. With changing SDKs (see
>>> iOS
>>> >> 4.2, 5, and 6) sometimes we need to break things, like, asap.
>>> >>
>>> >> Other times we break things because we are assholes (from our users'
>>> point
>>> >> of view, at least :P )
>>> >>
>>> >> On 10/3/12 2:21 PM, "Mike Reinstein" <reinstein.mike@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >I'm wondering if anyone else has given thought towards adopting
>>> semantic
>>> >> >versioning for our releases. In terms of making plugin development
>>>and
>>> >> >version adoption less painful, this might be a good move. Thoughts?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >-Mike
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>