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From Gord Tanner <g...@tinyhippos.com>
Subject Re: DISCUSS: Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova
Date Thu, 02 Aug 2012 15:58:11 GMT
Wow!

That would be amazing Jukka :)

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> > On 30 July 2012 22:18, Gord Tanner <gord@tinyhippos.com <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> > >  Our main goal for Ripple being in the ASF is to try to build community
> > > around it and get the cordova / mobile web app developer bases behind
> it
> > > and able to contribute to it without the "This belongs to RIM" mindset
> we
> > > are getting now.
> >
> > That's a very good start ;-)
>
>
> +1
>
> The broader community goal is best served by being a separate podling.
> > The narrower Cordova goal might be better served by being a
> > sub-project and, as Jukka said, you can always spin-out of Cordova as
> > a TLP later.
>
>
> Or vice versa, if Ripple on its own doesn't end up attracting a community
> beyond that of Cordova, it's also possible to "spin-in" later to a Cordova
> subproject.
>
> Based on the discussion so far it sounds like Ripple has the makings of a
> great Apache project also on its own, especially with co-operation and some
> committer overlap with Cordova.
>
>
> > > This may be getting off topic now for the cordova mailing lists so who
> > do I
> > > talk to from ASF to start setting up the donation of Ripple?
> >
> > First off you need a Champion. Their role is to help guide you through
> > the proposal process which is described at [1]. The role of champion
> > is defined at [2]
>
>
> You'll also need some Apache mentors to help once you get started. I'd be
> happy to volunteer.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
>
>
> > >
> > > Gord
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Ross Gardler
> > > <rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 30 July 2012 16:56, Michael Brooks <michael@michaelbrooks.ca>
> wrote:
> > >> > If Ripple was donated as a standalone project, then a shared
> > >> > general@mailing-list between Cordova and Ripple would be very nice.
> > >>
> > >> IMHO such lists don't (often) make sense. Jukka made the suggestion
> > >> using Hadoop as an example of a consortium of projects. However, there
> > >> is (to my knowledge - Jukka will correct me if I'm wrong) no such list
> > >> for Hadoop.
> > >>
> > >> What topics would need to be discussed on a general mailing list
> > >> between the two projects which could not be adequately carried out on
> > >> the more focused project list?
> > >>
> > >> Unless there is a very surprising answer to the above question, the
> > >> way I see it the options are...
> > >>
> > >>   - Ripple as a sub-project of Cordova with all development on
> > >> cordova-dev (potential for too much non-cordova discussion) - example
> > >> lucene and friends
> > >>
> > >>   - Ripple as a new podling with all development on ripple-dev and
> > >> cordova-dev (interested cordova and ripple devs cross-subscribe) -
> > >> example hadoop and friends
> > >>
> > >> Remember, this is only my opinion based on my observations of what
> > >> works in the ASF today - the ASF is a flexible place. Changes to old
> > >> approaches can be adopted when good reason to do so is presented.
> > >>
> > >> Ross
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Ross Gardler <
> > >> rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On 30 July 2012 15:06, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >> > Hi,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:18 PM,  <gtanner@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >> >> >> I sometimes see cordova not as a specific platform (or
set of
> > APIs)
> > >> but
> > >> >> as a leader
> > >> >> >> in the open mobile web.  If we are able to step away
from the
> > idea of
> > >> >> cordova being
> > >> >> >> a singular platform but the bleeding edge of mobile web
r & d it
> > >> makes
> > >> >> sense to
> > >> >> >> have ripple be a part of that.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > A good example of how such a vision is being realized at
the ASF
> is
> > >> >> > the Hadoop project that has given birth to a growing ecosystem
of
> > >> >> > related cloud and big data projects at and around the ASF.
> Instead
> > of
> > >> >> > Hadoop hosting related projects like HBase, Pig, ZooKeeper,
etc.
> as
> > >> >> > subprojects under a single PMC, it simply acts as a central
focus
> > >> >> > point for a larger cluster of projects.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I'd love to see Cordova increasingly position itself as such
a
> > focus
> > >> >> > point for mobile web projects both within and outside the
ASF.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> +1
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > One
> > >> >> > concrete idea towards such a goal could be to start a
> > general@mailing
> > >> >> > list as a shared forum like the one Hadoop has for discussions
> that
> > >> >> > reach beyond the boundaries of individual projects or codebases.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I'm not sure we're ready for that yet. What other projects would
be
> > >> >> interested in this?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Possibly Wookie (W3C Widget engine), others?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ross
> > >> >>
> > >> >> --
> > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Ross Gardler (@rg
>
>
>
> --
> Jukka Zitting
>



-- 
Gord Tanner
Senior Developer / Code Poet
tinyHippos Inc.
@tinyhippos

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