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From Filip Maj <...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: [jira] [Commented] (CB-643) Use the Apache RAT (Release Audit Tool) on sources, add Apache License
Date Tue, 05 Jun 2012 01:11:42 GMT
*I* would consider it non-creative.

Don't get me wrong: I understand your point and your concern (that it
would turn users away). This is a good concern to have. I just don't think
it would.

The compromise here would be to a) try to remove it altogether under the
non-creative grounds or b) document/make obvious that users can relicense
the example/template code once generated.

On 6/4/12 6:07 PM, "Jesse" <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:

>That is an example, which makes sense to work that way.
>A template is a logical starting point for developing an app, which is
>what
>I am talking about.
>To me, this is like hitting command+n in textmate and having it spit out a
>60 lines textmate header jargon in every new file it creates.
>
>I will however chill for now, and we can discuss later.
>
>Brian and Shaz both replied before I could write this, I will continue ...
>
>Brian, if it is acceptable, can we simply add a comment informing the end
>developer that they are free to remove the license header ( aka
>re-license )
>
>Can we consider this file non creative ?
>
>On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's some sample code that is shipped with Cassandra:
>>
>> 
>>https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=cassandra.git;a=blob;f=examples
>>/c
>> 
>>lient_only/src/ClientOnlyExample.java;h=fa69965fb993ecfe11ce1b4dd9faf86c7
>>76
>> 41713;hb=HEAD
>>
>>
>> Note the same license header at the top.
>>
>> Same situation here no?
>>
>> On 6/4/12 5:54 PM, "Filip Maj" <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I don't see the issue here.
>> >
>> >The example code we ship is apache-owned, so the license header should
>>be
>> >there.
>> >
>> >Why is swapping in a user's application assets into the www/ folder,
>> >overwriting the example assets, for cordova projects unacceptable? Most
>> >people would do this.
>> >
>> >Before you go making any big changes we need to discuss and address the
>> >"problem" (I think it is just a misconception about how this shit
>>works)
>> >if you see this as an issue. I don't see how you patching only the WP7
>> >implementation to strip the license header solves the problem: the same
>> >situation exists on all of our implementations.
>> >
>> >I'm not legal guru but this is clear-cut to me. Anyone else willing to
>> >chime in?
>> >
>> >On 6/4/12 5:49 PM, "Jesse" <purplecabbage@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>I will make the create tool strip the license header then ...
>> >>and remove it from the template before distributing ...
>> >>Both the other options are unacceptable IMO
>> >>
>> >>On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> There is only two alternatives then:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. The user would remove the boilerplate index.html and use their
>>own
>> >>> 2. We don't include the index.html in a new project template
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Jesse <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > What I am saying is that every new project that is created will
>> >>>include
>> >>> the
>> >>> > license tag, meaning that the new project is also licensed under
>> >>>Apache.
>> >>> > So how does a developer make an app if they aren't licensing it
>>under
>> >>> > Apache? They cannot use our tool now ...
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com>
wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > To be clear: yes I think it is amusing/waste of real
>> >>> > estate/ugly/shouldn't
>> >>> > > be there. But most legal bs amuses/depresses me so I just
go
>> >>>through
>> >>> the
>> >>> > > motions and get it over with.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On 6/4/12 5:27 PM, "Filip Maj" <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > >It doesn't impose anything on projects generated with
Cordova.
>> >>>Simply:
>> >>> > it
>> >>> > > >is code we ship, therefore license is required. No drama
>>around it
>> >>> > really.
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >On 6/4/12 5:24 PM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <purplecabbage@gmail.com>
>> >>>wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >>That's the template used to generate new projects.
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>Cheers,
>> >>> > > >>  Jesse
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>On 2012-06-04, at 5:19 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >>> As the Joker would say: why so seriouss?
>> >>> > > >>> This is just the boilerplate I thought.
>> >>> > > >>>
>> >>> > > >>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Jesse
>><purplecabbage@gmail.com
>> >
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> > > >>>
>> >>> > > >>>> So that means that you can only build Apache
2.0 apps with
>> >>> Cordova!?
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>> Seriously WTF?
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > >
>> >>>
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cordova-wp7.git;a=b
>> >>> > > >>>>l
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> 
>>>>>>>>>ob;f=templates/full/www/index.html;h=e4e9fff95930acfc3b26b6dfcb6a9
>>>>>>>>>69
>> >>>>>>>c
>> >>>>>>>2c
>> >>> > > >>>>4
>> >>> > > >>>>f7bed;hb=ac1ba7cf406f2a9789d3f8fe60a8e631fa7bd39f
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Filip Maj
(JIRA)
>> >>><jira@apache.org
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > >>>>wrote:
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>   [
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > >
>> >>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-643?page=com.atlassian.jira.pl
>> >>> > > >>>>u
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> 
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>>>>>>>>>05
>> >>>>>>>#
>> >>>>>>>co
>> >>> > > >>>>m
>> >>> > > >>>>ment-13289005
>> >>> > > >>>> ]
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>> Filip Maj commented on CB-643:
>> >>> > > >>>>> ------------------------------
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>> Pushed a branch of WP7 that has all appropriate
license
>> >>>headers
>> >>> > here:
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > >
>> >>>
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-cordova-wp7.git;a=s
>> >>> > > >>>>h
>> >>> > > >>>>ortlog;h=refs/heads/license
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>> Will merge once it is confirmed that
this branch is still
>> >>> > functional.
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>> Use the Apache RAT (Release Audit
Tool) on sources, add
>> >>>Apache
>> >>> > > >>>>>>License
>> >>> > > >>>>>>
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>--
>> >>>>>>>>>-
>> >>>>>>>>>--
>> >>> > > >>>>>>-
>> >>> > > >>>>>>-
>> >>> > > >>>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>>                Key: CB-643
>> >>> > > >>>>>>                URL:
>> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-643
>> >>> > > >>>>>>            Project: Apache Cordova
>> >>> > > >>>>>>         Issue Type: Sub-task
>> >>> > > >>>>>>         Components: WP7
>> >>> > > >>>>>>           Reporter: Shazron Abdullah
>> >>> > > >>>>>>           Assignee: Jesse MacFadyen
>> >>> > > >>>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>> From Jukka Zitting, mentor:
>> >>> > > >>>>>> Unless you've already encountered,
Release Audit Tool
>>(RAT)
>> >>>is a
>> >>> > > >>>>>> simple program developed at
>> http://incubator.apache.org/rat/
>> >>>to
>> >>> > > help
>> >>> > > >>>>>> audit Apache releases. To use it,
download the binaries
>>and
>> >>>run
>> >>> > > >>>>>>"java
>> >>> > > >>>>>> -jar apache-rat-0.8.jar /path/to/cordova/sources".
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>> --
>> >>> > > >>>>> This message is automatically generated
by JIRA.
>> >>> > > >>>>> If you think it was sent incorrectly,
please contact your
>> >>>JIRA
>> >>> > > >>>>> administrators:
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > >
>> 
>>>>>https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.js
>> >>> > > >>>>>p
>> >>> > > >>>>>a
>> >>> > > >>>>> For more information on JIRA, see:
>> >>> > > >>>> http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >>>> --
>> >>> > > >>>> @purplecabbage
>> >>> > > >>>> risingj.com
>> >>> > > >>>>
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > @purplecabbage
>> >>> > risingj.com
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>@purplecabbage
>> >>risingj.com
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>@purplecabbage
>risingj.com


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