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From Filip Maj <...@adobe.com>
Subject Re: Proposal - Separate 2.x Git Branch
Date Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:51:56 GMT
... Not part of the apache dist? Why not? Those are essential for our
target audiences IMO

On 3/29/12 12:48 PM, "Drew Walters" <deedubbu@gmail.com> wrote:

>Except that those aren't a part of the distribution package and `ant
>create-plugin` doesn't exist at all anymore ;-)
>
>On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com> wrote:
>> The ant scripts are the start of CLI tooling for BlackBerry.
>>
>> "ant create <path to my project dir>"
>> "ant create-plugin <path to plugin>"
>>
>> Not as filled-in as the Android/iOS versions but they are there and we
>>can
>> get them the rest of the way with a little effort.
>>
>> On 3/29/12 11:15 AM, "Drew Walters" <deedubbu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Consider too, just getting the sub commands working well and
>>>> consistently across platforms is still a really big win for 2.x and
>>>> makes writing that master script super trivial anyhow. (Also these
>>>> scripts exist today for iOS, Android and BlackBerry.)
>>>
>>>Can someone point me at the BlackBerry versions of these.  I'm a bit
>>>confused what is being discussed here.
>>>
>>>On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io> wrote:
>>>>> Because I had something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT IN MIND.
>>>>
>>>> I like that future. So much so I even prototyped it in 2010 in the
>>>> orig proj named Cordova (just different semantics). I think we are of
>>>> the same mind but I'm proposing a different path to get there. Or
>>>> possibly not. To be clear: a master cli script was considered too
>>>> ambitious for a 2.x goal back in Oct by myself and Dave.
>>>>
>>>> Rather than "one giant script to rule them all" we felt moving the
>>>> orig Cordova platform scripts into the mainline of each platform
>>>> project was a great starting point that still allows us to write a
>>>> master script down the road. The master script could be ignorant of
>>>> the details, just calling out to the sub platform scripts for the
>>>> utilities desired. It puts the responsibility of the sub-commands in
>>>> the project that cares about it, where it should be. Developers using
>>>> only Cordova/Android can still work with just those local scripts
>>>> without having to worry about competing platform detritus in their
>>>> shell.
>>>>
>>>> Now with all that said, I am personally very into having a master
>>>> script being a 2.x goal! I think Dave, Fil, Michael and Andrew would
>>>> heartily agree. (We are tooling geeks tho.) To get there, we still
>>>> need those sub commands solid, tested and documented.
>>>>
>>>> Consider too, just getting the sub commands working well and
>>>> consistently across platforms is still a really big win for 2.x and
>>>> makes writing that master script super trivial anyhow. (Also these
>>>> scripts exist today for iOS, Android and BlackBerry.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> first 2.x, I suspect we'll then have to wait for 3.x, as the
>>>>>project/plugin
>>>>> structure will have to be settled, and whatever we do it 2.x prolly
>>>>>won't
>>>>> be exactly what we need, and so we'll need to refactor things, AGAIN.
>>>>
>>>> The plugin package format is slated 2.x in the roadmap now. Will we
>>>> refactor in the future? Without a doubt. We need to deal with that by
>>>> communicating better with our community and documenting our releases
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My understanding of where we're going is that Cordova becomes a
>>>>>"plugin"
>>>>> and "web view" manager.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, and I'd like to point out to the readers of this thread at this
>>>> point the conversation has diverged from CLI Tooling to Plugin
>>>> Tooling.
>>>>
>>>>> All the existing batteries-included plugins will
>>>>> at least removable from whatever we install, or maybe you get no
>>>>>plugins
>>>>> with a default install.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, I think installing just 3rd party plugins is a good start
>>>>though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> But the plugins are a core part of our story.
>>>>
>>>> The whole theme of 2.x really.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So, I'd like a clearer definition of things like "cli tooling", and
>>>>>then a
>>>>> list of "things that must be in 2.x, we will not move these to the
>>>>>next
>>>>> release".  That second list may be the empty list - nothing will hold
>>>>>up
>>>>> thje 2.x release in <whenever>.  That's fine.  Just trying to
>>>>>understand.
>>>>
>>>> For me the defn of cli tooling is whats in that wiki page under the
>>>> title "Command Line Interface Tooling" and for plugins its under
>>>> "PhoneGap Plugin Project". Yes, the detail is light and that is mostly
>>>> due to us focusing on getting through CordovaJS, CordovaView and the
>>>> great renaming.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps now, we kick up a new thread about CLI Tooling and a separate
>>>> one about Plugins?
>>>>
>>>> The good news here: we agree these are good goals for 1.7-2.x
>>


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