Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-callback-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-callback-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7B739A49 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 85486 invoked by uid 500); 16 Feb 2012 22:09:53 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-callback-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 85451 invoked by uid 500); 16 Feb 2012 22:09:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact callback-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: callback-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list callback-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 85438 invoked by uid 99); 16 Feb 2012 22:09:53 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:09:53 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of brian.leroux@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.214.175] (HELO mail-tul01m020-f175.google.com) (209.85.214.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 22:09:46 +0000 Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so3851741obh.6 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7XHlhvYb/PZi/SI/DjzfkYwIu2/lBfCN56zWQvFdejw=; b=DdbWRlA++2vxbn3GDg42IUm9cuR4Ot1w+KrwAeCvHt7QL3rthq8BbutBblvY2lBdT3 ZTV8uldxJy4Q+uxx+mpGqv8QirRGCrirM6oVow9rzy6s7n91dj0AyDb4Q5EGJfumiYxF EOMWlaHu8gsKUWIq7Om/AUEvQtu+C9PFnS28Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.12.74 with SMTP id w10mr2825409obb.51.1329430165046; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:09:25 -0800 (PST) Sender: brian.leroux@gmail.com Received: by 10.60.43.103 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:09:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:09:24 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CQ4cjRv1XrukhCpoCIEYr5LINnY Message-ID: Subject: Re: Contributions policy for those with no ICLA From: Brian LeRoux To: callback-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org >> Certain I'm opening a can of worms here but I really do feel the 'vote >> a committer in' policy puts an unnecessary barrier to community, >> contribution and adoption. > > Sounds like you're making too big a deal about the vote here. Not my intent. Its not a big deal. (At all.) I think this is the root cause of the concern identified by Ross in how he perceives how we work (or worked, rather, in the past). > It's basically just about making sure that everyone agrees about the > "decent contribution" part, so except for the few extra days of delay > in letting the vote run its course is pretty much the only extra > overhead I see here (yes, the Incubator adds a bit of extra > complexity, but that's temporary). Is the vote perceived as a bigger > barrier than that? I guess this is the difference between estimating complexity vs time. =) There is no faster code than no code at all. I'm not proposing its more complex or more expensive by any order of magnitude but rather that it introduces a barrier that did not previously exist. I'm not advocating change or really care enough to go to some battle over this. Just an observation. > If not a vote, what (or who) would decide who gets commit access? Upon review of a few pull requests that would be successfully merged a committer (usually the guy doing said merge) would add the new person as a committer to save themselves the trouble in the future. Its is a different philosophy; we tend to believe that folks are here to the right thing first. This isn't a trivial assumption; I believe it creates a community of mutual trust, respect, and happens to also save on the costs of policing and associated bureaucracy.