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From Simon MacDonald <>
Subject Re: New Lead for BB
Date Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:58:45 GMT
That is a pretty good explanation Ross thanks for posting it to the list.

Simon Mac Donald

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:

> On 6 February 2012 23:02, Brian LeRoux <> wrote:
> > No problem, understandable. The exact thing I communicated to Tim
> > today is he is now the owner for the BB JIRA for Adobe.
> >
> > This isn't to say he has any more authority than anyone else in the
> > project but rather the Adobe representative to that part of the
> > Corodova project. This is more of a mechanism for Adobe than
> > elsewhere; in the same spirit Tim's counterparts could be considered
> > Gord, Tim and Ken from RIM and Drew from IBM.
> I thought that would be the case.  Thanks for explaining.
> Tim, my question was rooted in the fact that everyone here is an equal
> and a volunteer. Words like "assigned" and "lead" belong in the
> workplace. Here on the Apache Cordova project lists you are Tim Kim
> the volunteer and nobody can "assign" you tasks any more than they can
> assign me tasks.
> It might sound like I'm playing with words since you have a day job
> and clearly that day job relates to Cordova, However your
> independence, and that of all other community members within this
> project, is vital to the health of the project. To try and illustrate
> here's the copy of an email I recently sent to another podling in
> which a community member was concerned about the undue influence of an
> employer with a great many committers on the books (by copying this
> here I am not implying that the same perception exists here, it's just
> intended to illustrate the reasoning behind my question):
> I led a session at ApacheCon titled "Can I depend on Software
> built By Volunteers?", the abstract is at [1] and the audio is at [2]
> (no slides it was an off-the-cuff audience participation style
> session).
> In this session we explore what it means to be a volunteer. We
> challenge the mistaken opinion that volunteers cannot be paid. Having
> established this we then look at whether volunteering in an ASF
> project is usually driven by employment or "something else". What we
> conclude is that it is "something else" in nearly all cases.
> Consider that Jane is paid to deliver results for her employer. If
> Jane finds that the best route to delivery is through community led
> open source she ought to fight for the survival of that community at
> all costs. It is in her interests to do so, both for her community
> reputation (employability beyond her current role) and for her
> employers satisfaction (employability in her current role). If Jane is
> smart she will recognise that her personal reputation is more
> important within the community than that of her employer. If she blows
> her community reputation she loses her ability to deliver for her
> employer as well as her ability to seek alternative employment
> relating to that communities activities. A double whammy.
> In ASF projects it is not possible for Jane's boss to say "make this
> happen at any cost". If Jane thinks the move is inappropriate she can
> simply say "that will not fly, it is not good for the community and we
> cannot wield sufficient influence to force the community to comply".
> Note, it is not Jane that is challenging her superiors, it is the
> community she represents. At this point Jane's job is to figure out a
> way forward that works for both the community and her employer.
> Unfortunately, managing this balancing act is really hard to do. IMHO
> this is why those who understand community led open source development
> get paid more than most other developers.
> The model is not perfect. It does break down if there is nobody to
> represent alternative community views. However, as long as we have at
> least one volunteer watching the "Bull Elephant" closely (nice analogy
> Graham)  we will be fine (and historically this has been tested on
> more than one occasion). It really doesn't matter who is paying for
> our volunteers food, it only matters that they care about the
> community.
> Thanks - and welcome
> Ross
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Ross Gardler <>
> wrote:
> >> On 6 February 2012 21:28, Tim Kim <> wrote:
> >>> I've been assigned to become the new lead for the BB issue tracker. I
> look
> >>> forward to working with you all.
> >>
> >> Hi and welcome,
> >>
> >> Can you please tell me what it means to be a "lead for the BB issue
> >> tracker". I ask this because I'm a mentor to this project and I want
> >> to try and understand the culture of the project community as it
> >> stands today so that we can move towards an ASF culture.
> >>
> >> A number of times I've seen language that doesn't really work in a
> >> typical ASF project (like "lead"), but each time I've challenged it so
> >> far my concerns have proven unfounded. I suspect that will be the case
> >> here too.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for helping me understand.
> >>
> >> Ross
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective

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