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From Bill Stoddard <>
Subject Re: inactive commiters id and new proposed commiters id
Date Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:01:28 GMT
Samuel Kevin wrote:
> Hi all:
>     The following commiters had graduated and with little possiblity they
> could participate in this project.
>      Dong Yang  a.k.a  okid
>      JingJing Gao  a.k.a  stellagjj
>      Fan Zhang   a.k.a  zhangfan
>    And we propose two person to be new commiters.
>     Bowen Ma
>     Ping Chen
> regards,
> Kevin
Thanks Kevin. I will ask the infra team to revoke the okid, stellagjj 
and zhangfan.

Regarding new committers...
Kevin, The ASF mentors on this project (and other members of the 
Incubator PMC) have a big concern about the Bluesky project committers. 
Our goal (ASF and Bluesky project members) should be to a) create a 
strong, transparent, open community of developers (and hopefully users) 
that b) follow the rules of the ASF and c) release code. The mentors and 
project committers must work together to achieve these goals.

The bluesky team needs to put much, much more effort into building the 
community around ASF principles. In order to build a diverse developers 
community, outsiders must be able to look into the bluesky project 
(wiki, mailing list, source code, bug tracker) and get a clear 
understanding of what the code does, how to build the code, current 
technical issues being worked on, where the project has been, where the 
project is going. You must capture technical discussions and decisions 
on the developers mailing list. If someone looking in from the outside 
cannot understand where the project has been, current technical issues 
and where the project is going, then they will not know how to join and 
participate in the community. Again, our primary goal is to grow the 
community. Everything we do should be directed at encouraging and 
enabling outsiders to join our community. Technical discussions and 
decisions should be visible to everyone (by looking at the dev mailing 
list archives or wiki).

The next thing you must understand is that all the bluesky developers 
participate in the community as individuals. User ids are never shared, 
you never commit/contribute code without clearly indicating where you 
got the code (did you write the code? did someone else write the code 
and if so, who? and do you have their permission to contribute the code?).

ASF projects have strict code licensing requirements (for example, the 
recent discussion on LGPL & GPL code). I want to warn the bluesky team 
in the strictest way possible... it is never acceptable to take code 
someone else has written, change the license and contribute it to the 
project under the changed license. It is never acceptable to contribute 
code that was not written by you without clearly stating where the code 
came from. Every piece of code in bluesky has an origin... that origin 
needs to be captured as a comment in the svn commit AND also in the 
NOTICES files that should exist in the top level svn directory (for 
example, see the NOTICES file in Apache Geronimo here:

If the ASF ever finds code in bluesky that was taken from another 
project without the proper attribution, the project will very likely be 
shutdown permanently. I hope I am being effective in telling you how 
important it is to clearly understand (no guessing!!) and document where 
code comes from.

What I just described above is the essence of the "Apache Way". The 
Incubator PMC expects all members of the Bluesky project to demonstrate 
and follow the "Apache Way" in all their project activities. You must 
train and teach outsiders and newcomers in the Apache Way, so that those 
outsiders and newcomers can, in turn, teach ever newer outsiders and 
newcomers in the Apache Way. It is in this way the project becomes self 
sustaining and the strong community is born. If you want the project to 
graduate, you MUST follow the Apache Way consistently.

Last comment from me for now :-)
While we would all prefer to see emails in English, I am not opposed to 
some of the email exchanges being in Chinese. It is a tremendous 
challenge to the team to communicate entirely in written English and if 
some Chinese is needed to facilitate efficiency, I think we need to do 
it. Maybe that will also help me learn more 汉字 :-)

So please let's discuss these points while we are deciding how to get 
the new committers on the project.


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