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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: any23.org
Date Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:34:16 GMT
One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History" as well,
so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to call it.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Chris

On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:

> Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you 
> would lean!
> 
> Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
> decision back to the project and work with them to:
> 
> 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
> 2. put up a per project thanks page on http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and 
> eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt' institutions
> predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't 
> imply any governance in either direction
> 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links to the
> per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly to 
> 2.
> 
> Thanks, again!
> 
> Cheers,
> Chris
> 
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> 
>> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
>> 
>> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
>> 
>> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra 
>> decision.  In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF 
>> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from 
>> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal 
>> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
>> 
>> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on 
>> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would 
>> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
>> 
>> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links 
>> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual 
>> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
>> 
>> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most 
>> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the 
>> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project 
>> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not 
>> commercial companies.
>> 
>> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these 
>> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even 
>> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links. 
>> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the 
>> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in 
>> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a 
>> commercial company.
>> 
>> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any 
>> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or 
>> governance (in either direction).  But from the tone of the discussion 
>> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
>> 
>> Make sense?
>> 
>> - Shane
>> 
>> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>> Hey Greg,
>>> 
>>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
>>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
>>> 
>>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
>>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
>>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
>>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
>>> 
>>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
>>> in the Incubator here, that  seems to have turned into a branding question:
>>> 
>>> The infra one:
>>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
>>> 
>>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection
of the external any23.org site:
>>> 
>>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23
was
>>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
>>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
>>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
>>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before
coming
>>> to the ASF."
>>> 
>>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
>>> 
>>> Checking out:
>>> 
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
>>> 
>>> and
>>> 
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
>>> 
>>> led us to:
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
>>> 
>>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
>>> 
>>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
>>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
>>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
>>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
>>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
>>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Senior Computer Scientist
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 


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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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