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From Lewis John Mcgibbney <lewis.mcgibb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: any23.org
Date Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:14:48 GMT
Thanks Chris for persisting with this one.

I'm happy to get the Any23site sorted out today, I will not be working from
this workstation until next week, this is where I checkout the site from
(took like 20-30 mins and don't wish to do i on my laptop) so would like to
get this sorted out today if possible. Therefore I'm going to progress with
creating a history page linked to through the side bar in
incubator.apache.org/any23. This will contain all the info of the original
organizations and developers of Any23.

I'll also update INFRA-4439 to:

1) name the domain service.any23.apache.org??? Comments please
2) Provide details of infrastructure required to host the web service.

Comments please?

Lewis

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:

> One addition too: some of us had talked about calling the page "History"
> as well,
> so I assume that's fine and will let the project decide what they want to
> call it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
> > Thanks Shane, this is *precisely* the way I was hoping you
> > would lean!
> >
> > Appreciate it, and yep it does make sense. I will take this
> > decision back to the project and work with them to:
> >
> > 1. get any23.org migrated to ASF infrastructure
> > 2. put up a per project thanks page on
> http://incubator.apache.org/any23/ and
> > eventually any23.apache.org that thanks the research and govt'
> institutions
> > predating Apache (with logos but with nofollow links) and that doesn't
> > imply any governance in either direction
> > 3. make sure any23.org (once it's on ASF infrastructure) either links
> to the
> > per project thanks page from 2; or stands up its own sub-page similarly
> to
> > 2.
> >
> > Thanks, again!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> >
> > On Feb 22, 2012, at 7:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> >
> >> (Please note the distribution list which mixes private and public lists)
> >>
> >> Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!
> >>
> >> Where what gets hosted (re: any23.org etc.) is a project and infra
> >> decision.  In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF
> >> (it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from
> >> the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal
> >> apache.org branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.
> >>
> >> We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on
> >> the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would
> >> include the any23.org home page as well if we host.
> >>
> >> However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links
> >> to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual
> >> projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).
> >>
> >> Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most
> >> per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the
> >> organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project
> >> pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not
> >> commercial companies.
> >>
> >> For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these
> >> organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of any23.org (or even
> >> any23.apache.org or similar), including logos with nofollow links.
> >> Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the
> >> project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in
> >> general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a
> >> commercial company.
> >>
> >> Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any
> >> way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or
> >> governance (in either direction).  But from the tone of the discussion
> >> here, I don't think that will be an issue.
> >>
> >> Make sense?
> >>
> >> - Shane
> >>
> >> On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> >>> Hey Greg,
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
> >>>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for .apache.org.
> >>>
> >>> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> >>> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
> >>> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for
> Any23,
> >>> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at http://any23.org/
> >>>
> >>> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to
> Apache Any23
> >>> in the Incubator here, that  seems to have turned into a branding
> question:
> >>>
> >>> The infra one:
> >>> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
> >>>
> >>> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an
> inspection of the external any23.org site:
> >>>
> >>> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions
> where Any23 was
> >>> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page
> associated with
> >>> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to
> project branding
> >>> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to
> say "thanks
> >>> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding
> this before coming
> >>> to the ASF."
> >>>
> >>> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
> >>>
> >>> Checking out:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html
> >>>
> >>> led us to:
> >>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs.html#navigation
> >>>
> >>> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks
> pages".
> >>>
> >>> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> >>> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> >>> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> >>> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a
> manner
> >>> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no
> follow)
> >>> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Senior Computer Scientist
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>


-- 
*Lewis*

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