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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re:
Date Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:35:35 GMT
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Thanks for the discussion and the very interesting question!

Where what gets hosted (re: etc.) is a project and infra 
decision.  In this case, I'd certainly hope we can host it at the ASF 
(it sounds useful, has the project name, and seems to have support from 
the project to do this); if we do, it should follow the normal branding guidelines unless there is a specific exception.

We should not include prominent links or logos to other organizations on 
the home pages of our projects; in this case, I'd think that would 
include the home page as well if we host.

However we can have per-project thanks pages that provide useful links 
to third parties who work in the technical spaces of our individual 
projects. (Yes, I know we need better docs on best practices here).

Personally, I see this case as a little differently than most 
per-project thanks pages: here, we have both (I think) 1) the 
organizations who originally supported/helped to found the project 
pre-Apache, and 2) some non-profit or governmental bodies, and not 
commercial companies.

For this combination of 1) and 2), I'd be happy with listing these 
organizations on a sub-page (i.e. not home page) of (or even or similar), including logos with nofollow links. 
Given that these organizations (as I understand) helped to found the 
project, and are non-profits also serving the public good, I'm happy in 
general to give them a slightly more obvious recognition than a 
commercial company.

Note that any such listings need to be factual, and should not in any 
way imply approval/endorsement, nor should they imply control or 
governance (in either direction).  But from the tone of the discussion 
here, I don't think that will be an issue.

Make sense?

- Shane

On 2012-02-17 5:00 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
> Hey Greg,
> On Feb 17, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> My opinion is that if something is run on Apache hardware, then it
>> should follow the same branding rules that we use for
> Yeah here was the background on this. The prior-to-Apache Any23 folks
> were funded by several projects out of the European Union and they had
> this external service that let folks call their RDF web service for Any23,
> I think it was hosted (and is hosted) at
> So anyways Lewis was asking an infrastructure question related to Apache Any23
> in the Incubator here, that  seems to have turned into a branding question:
> The infra one:
> 1. Should we move this external service/site over to ASF hardware
> The branding one (via Richard who manages the external site) and an inspection of the
external site:
> 1. If that site has some logos on it from the research institutions where Any23 was
> at before it came to the ASF, can we like include a thanks page associated with
> the incoming page and/or the Any23 website that still conforms to project branding
> rules but maybe lets us keep the logos (with nofollow tags) on them to say "thanks
> research institutions in the European Union for originally funding this before coming
> to the ASF."
> I asked Greg about this on GChat and am bring the conversation on list.
> Checking out:
> and
> led us to:
> There isn't much guidance there on Project or PMC specific "thanks pages".
> I am thinking of either opening up a new trademarks JIRA issue or
> a new thread on trademarks@ to discuss this because I think that
> it should be OK to say "thanks" to upstream contributors of software
> that is donated or granted to the Apache Software Foundation, in a manner
> such as a thanks page including either text or some logos (with no follow)
> links to point back to the lineage and say thanks.
> Thoughts?
> Cheers,
> Chris
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