From alois-dev-return-86-apmail-incubator-alois-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Jan 03 15:27:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-alois-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: (qmail 51649 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2011 15:27:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 3 Jan 2011 15:27:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 56996 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2011 15:27:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-alois-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 56976 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2011 15:27:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact alois-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: alois-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list alois-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 56967 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jan 2011 15:27:03 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:27:03 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of mail@ulerch.net designates 78.138.113.6 as permitted sender) Received: from [78.138.113.6] (HELO saturn.ibone.ch) (78.138.113.6) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:27:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.106] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: web162p1) by saturn.ibone.ch (saturn.ibone.ch) with ESMTPA id DC61615D0421 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:26:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: ALOIS and data retention From: Urs Lerch To: alois-dev@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <4D21A5F3.1040707@imsec.ch> References: <4D21A5F3.1040707@imsec.ch> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ewaEk13j4hDcwo/Syx5c" Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:26:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1294068400.2403.15.camel@X61s> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 --=-ewaEk13j4hDcwo/Syx5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Marcus Thanks for the input. I'll add this as soon as possible to our website. Best, Urs Am Montag, den 03.01.2011, 11:33 +0100 schrieb Marcus Holthaus (IMSEC): > Hi all >=20 > In my lightning talk at 27c3 I said some lines regarding data retention, = more > or less like this: > Currently there is much talk about data retention, However, most of us do= not > even now what loggable events they produce themselves. So one possible us= e of > ALOIS would be to set up your own personal log management engine to get > awareness on what logs you produce. > Furthermore I said (and had an item on my slides) indicating that ALOIS i= s a > dual-use tool. >=20 > Let me make clear that in my opinion, ALOIS is just a tool, and neither a= n > activity to prevent government data retention, nor one to further it. It = is > politically neutral. I think I came over like this in the talk, >=20 > I think these statements should be put onto the web page. I propose this = text: > "ALOIS and data retention > ALOIS is a great tool to collect and analyze logs. As a scalable open sou= rce > tool it may be used in a personal environment to create a log of personal > activities in much the same way as a state data retention would collect l= ogs. > It could therefore be used for personal awareness regarding what could an= d > would be retained. However, not all of what state data retention would > collect, is currently available to ALOIS. Most prominently, the mobile ph= one > roaming data is only available on the mobile phones themselves, and altho= ugh > these devices are in the user's hand, getting that data to be transferred= to > ALOIS is as of yet not possible. There is work to be done on the mobile p= hone > side to allow that. > On the other hand, ALOIS is a dual-use tool and could be used in state da= ta > retention environments, As it was not intended to be used this way, as it > contains functionality way beyond the collection for retention purposes a= nd as > it probably does not (yet) scale well enough for dumping massive data amo= unts, > its use as a state data retention tool is unprobable and no such cases ar= e > known. However, it is open source software and may be put to any use. > " >=20 --=-ewaEk13j4hDcwo/Syx5c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJNIeqtAAoJEP9+V4XAg0Zps/kIAIoZzomCzz/945vgW62Uefrf SyQGu89ORwMDk6LRZntaweKb1NElfvnm/97wMm/kP+IurFiRaYbUCQa2ezG7qNv4 hV8FqvnYwKsa6zogou2laJlNIXRiVypaC23/PkJ1PlJWDqg++Z2msR3mBXFsfjyg z3iM1o5+JpDxbO5xYCpEI9DkVUClDeHvQRrhQ4WyTeig7qPVc4C0y5dIWt8OTLAa R1Xjki1cU5nRB1WaNo9JwSLR+1S3wgjWP/MxGo31UEmAoIJ6k48TNnhtfJZ2trE0 e9vBVq0HWLqdTZhV7fEwBunNrwkTRfHcI2mAkuNBICNyUArRYoULZUMKLjIBZq4= =rC9E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ewaEk13j4hDcwo/Syx5c--