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From "Matthias Wessendorf" <mat...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Date Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:40:33 GMT
I just read some of the incubator mails (sent by Noel)

this website is mentioned for checking if the *desired* name (in this
case Trinidad)
is already taken by a software

http://www.nameprotect.com/

-Matthias

On 6/14/06, Manfred Geiler <manfred.geiler@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I'm also quite sure that we are done.
> And, keep in mind that Trinidad is only the shortname, anyway. The
> full "trademark" will be
> "Apache Trinidad" (or "Apache MyFaces Trinidad" ;-)
> It's like "Faces" (common word, no trademark) and "JavaServer(tm) Faces".
>
> Manfred
>
>
> On 6/13/06, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yes, definitely so.
> >
> > Using the available trademark search bases is what the incubator process
> > suggests.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 6/13/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess for that part we are really done.
> > >
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > On 6/12/06, Adam Winer <awiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to
> > > > make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have
> > > > done.
> > > >
> > > > -- Adam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some
> > > foundation
> > > > > wide assets.
> > > > >
> > > > > If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the
> > > acquisition
> > > > > of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
> > > > >
> > > > > regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks
> > > ([1]).
> > > > > > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to
a higher
> > > > > > level.
> > > > > > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ffd@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry
in
> > > > > > > class 34 (which is Tobacco).   See attachments.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > > > > > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > > > > > > entries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there
is a
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > formal, legally complete method.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > > > > > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way,
100%
> > > > > > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark,
and
> > > > > > > wait whether somebody objects.  If nobody objects for some
> > > > > > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > > > > > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > > > > > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > > > > > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I
can
> > > > > > > tell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Frank Felix
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > > > > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's
ADF
> > > > > > > Faces donation
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there
is a
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > formal, legally complete method.  We've got to be
100%
> > > > > > > sure,
> > > > > > > > not 99.9% sure.  For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > > > > > > could be searched with:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > > > > > > 1.1
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look
like
> > > > > > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants,
bathroom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > accessories, etc.  None of those 47 referred to software,
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > anything at all high-tech.  But I'd imagine there
also
> > > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > > > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already
take
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > companies
> > > > > > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found
nothing
> > > > > > > like that.
> > > > > > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found
abit
> > > > > > > more... that
> > > > > > > > > might be related to software.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port
of
> > > > > > > Spain :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine
one.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good night,
> > > > > > > > > Matthias
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <awiner@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Matthias,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for organizing this!  I think we
now need to do
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > some sort of
> > > > > > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure
the name is
> > > > > > > OK.
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do that...  hopefully
someone can
> > > > > > > help.
> > > > > > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > > > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator
list!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > during the last three days we were
looking for a new
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we
finally voted
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > that names.
> > > > > > > > > > > The community (not only the committers)
voted mostly
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > for the name
> > > > > > > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component
libary
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
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-- 
Matthias Wessendorf
Aechterhoek 18
48282 Emsdetten
blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com

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