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From "Martin Marinschek" <martin.marinsc...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Date Mon, 12 Jun 2006 20:27:45 GMT
Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some foundation
wide assets.

If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the acquisition
of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.

regards,

Martin

On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Frank,
>
> thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks ([1]).
> I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
>
> For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> level.
> Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
>
> -Matthias
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
>
> On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ffd@gmx.net> wrote:
> >
> > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > class 34 (which is Tobacco).   See attachments.
> >
> > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > entries.
> >
> > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > more
> > > formal, legally complete method.
> >
> > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> >
> > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > wait whether somebody objects.  If nobody objects for some
> > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> >
> > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > tell.
> >
> > Frank Felix
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > Faces donation
> > >
> > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > more
> > > formal, legally complete method.  We've got to be 100%
> > sure,
> > > not 99.9% sure.  For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > could be searched with:
> > >
> > >
> > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > 1.1
> > >
> > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> >
> > > accessories, etc.  None of those 47 referred to software,
> > or
> > > anything at all high-tech.  But I'd imagine there also
> > needs
> > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > which
> > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already take
> > by
> > > companies
> > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > like that.
> > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found abit
> > more... that
> > > > might be related to software.
> > > >
> > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > Spain :-)
> > > >
> > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > >
> > > > Good night,
> > > > Matthias
> > > >
> > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <awiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Matthias,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for organizing this!  I think we now need to do
> >
> > > some sort of
> > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the name is
> > OK.
> > > > > I don't know how to do that...  hopefully someone can
> > help.
> > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > make it
> > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator list!
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Adam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > during the last three days we were looking for a new
> >
> > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally voted
> > on
> > > that names.
> > > > > > The community (not only the committers) voted mostly
> >
> > > for the name
> > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component libary
> > is
> > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Matthias Wessendorf
> Aechterhoek 18
> 48282 Emsdetten
> blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
>



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