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From "Manfred Geiler" <manfred.gei...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF Faces donation
Date Wed, 14 Jun 2006 08:07:07 GMT
Yes, I'm also quite sure that we are done.
And, keep in mind that Trinidad is only the shortname, anyway. The
full "trademark" will be
"Apache Trinidad" (or "Apache MyFaces Trinidad" ;-)
It's like "Faces" (common word, no trademark) and "JavaServer(tm) Faces".

Manfred


On 6/13/06, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, definitely so.
>
> Using the available trademark search bases is what the incubator process
> suggests.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 6/13/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I guess for that part we are really done.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > On 6/12/06, Adam Winer <awiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I doubt we really want to register a trademark - I just want to
> > > make sure that we at least do what other Apache projects have
> > > done.
> > >
> > > -- Adam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/12/06, Martin Marinschek <martin.marinschek@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, as I see it, the ASF only holds the trademarks for some
> > foundation
> > > > wide assets.
> > > >
> > > > If we want to be sure, we'll have to find someone sponsoring the
> > acquisition
> > > > of a trademark - apart from that, there is not much of a chance.
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > On 6/12/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Frank,
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks for pointing out. The ASF seams to hold some trademarks
> > ([1]).
> > > > > I guess you went through this hell b/c of your company ? :)
> > > > >
> > > > > For the "Apache Trinidad", I think we should bring it up to a higher
> > > > > level.
> > > > > Perhaps Manfred as the MyFaces PMC Chair can help out.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Matthias
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html#Marks
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/12/06, Frank Felix Debatin <ffd@gmx.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I checked on the German register. It only shows one entry in
> > > > > > class 34 (which is Tobacco).   See attachments.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So there is no conflicting EU-wide entry. Obviously, this
> > > > > > doesn't guarantee you that there might be additional local
> > > > > > entries.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > formal, legally complete method.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unfortunately, this is not true (I've gone through that
> > > > > > process recently, so I can tell). There is no safe way, 100%
> > > > > > way. Legal regulations differ from country to country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BUT: the safest way is to register your own trademark, and
> > > > > > wait whether somebody objects.  If nobody objects for some
> > > > > > time (1/2 year?) then you are pretty safe. Unfortunately,
> > > > > > there is non-neglictable cost with filing a global
> > > > > > trademark. If you don't use your trademark, you loose it
> > > > > > after some time (5 years?), even if its registered.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. This is just from what I can
> > > > > > tell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank Felix
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Adam Winer [mailto:awiner@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 7:30 PM
> > > > > > > To: adffaces-user@incubator.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Announcement] new name for Oracle's ADF
> > > > > > Faces donation
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think our odds are good too, but I believe there is a
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > formal, legally complete method.  We've got to be 100%
> > > > > > sure,
> > > > > > > not 99.9% sure.  For example, I found that US Trademarks
> > > > > > > could be searched with:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=8q2si5.
> > > > > > 1.1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There's 47 trademarks against Trinidad, which look like
> > > > > > > mostly Rum and Cigar trademarks, but also plants, bathroom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > accessories, etc.  None of those 47 referred to software,
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > anything at all high-tech.  But I'd imagine there also
> > > > > > needs
> > > > > > > to be an EU search, etc., and this is a legal question,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > I'm definitely not qualified to answer!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > Last week I used google to "filter" these names.
> > > > > > > > Candidates like topaz - as I expected - are already
take
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > companies
> > > > > > > > or other software products. For Trinidad I found nothing
> > > > > > like that.
> > > > > > > > Other of the suggested name - like GOLD - I found
abit
> > > > > > more... that
> > > > > > > > might be related to software.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just found a software company, located in Port of
> > > > > > Spain :-)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think with this name we have a pretty fine one.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good night,
> > > > > > > > Matthias
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Adam Winer <awiner@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Matthias,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for organizing this!  I think we now need
to do
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > some sort of
> > > > > > > > > a more formal trademark check to make sure the
name is
> > > > > > OK.
> > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do that...  hopefully someone
can
> > > > > > help.
> > > > > > > > > Once that finishes, we'll repackage (adf->trinidad),
> > > > > > make it
> > > > > > > > > official, and cross one item off our incubator
list!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -- Adam
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 6/11/06, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hi ADF community,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > during the last three days we were looking
for a new
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > name. Lot's
> > > > > > > > > > of users suggested a new name and we finally
voted
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > that names.
> > > > > > > > > > The community (not only the committers)
voted mostly
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > for the name
> > > > > > > > > > "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So in fact the "formal" ADF Faces component
libary
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > know known as "Trinidad".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -Matthias
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Matthias Wessendorf
> > > > > Aechterhoek 18
> > > > > 48282 Emsdetten
> > > > > blog: http://jroller.com/page/mwessendorf
> > > > > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > 48282 Emsdetten
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> > mail: mwessendorf-at-gmail-dot-com
> >
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