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From Todd Lipcon <>
Subject Re: Time for graduation?
Date Thu, 12 Oct 2017 23:06:15 GMT
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:24 PM, Jim Apple <> wrote:

> I think it would be a good time to graduate. I'm very proud of the progress
> the community has made in terms of acting in an Apache way.
> Some logistics:
> I would be happy to serve as an initial chair.
> I'll draft a resolution, with a blank space for chair. This doesn't mean we
> have to agree now is the time to graduate, but we'll have it available for
> discussion and revision whenever we are ready.
> If we decide to graduate now, maybe we could email everyone who is on the
> PPMC, ccing private@, to see if they are still interested in being on the
> PMC, and taking no response to mean "yes" until we hear otherwise, in case
> someone is on vacation away from email, or in the hospital, or something.

That seems pretty reasonable to me, given the default is "yes". Those that
respond "no" could just be given "PMC emeritus" status. There isn't any
official emeritus policy at Apache but it's a nice way to thank these
people for past involvement and typically such members could be easily
re-instated upon their request (see

> Also, mentors are traditionally included in a graduating podling's PMC,
> right?

That's often been done but I don't think there's any hard requirement.
Perhaps we could ask each mentor whether they would like to continue to be


> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Todd Lipcon <> wrote:
> > Hey Impala community,
> >
> > It's been a while that all of the Impala infrastructure has been moved
> > over, and the community appears to be functioning healthily, generating
> new
> > releases on a regular cadence as well as adding new committers and PPMC
> > members. All of the branding stuff seems great, and the user mailing list
> > has a healthy amount of traffic and a good track record of answering
> > questions when they come up.
> >
> > As a mentor I think it's probably time to discuss graduation. The project
> > is already functioning in the same way as your typical Apache TLP and it
> > seems like it's time to become one.
> >
> > Any thoughts? If everyone is on board, the next step would be:
> >
> > 1. Pick the initial PMC chair for the TLP. According to the published
> > Impala Bylaws it seems that this is meant to rotate annually, so no need
> to
> > stress too much about it.
> >
> > A couple obvious choices here would be Marcel (as the original founder of
> > the project) or perhaps Jim (who has done yeoman's work on a lot of the
> > incubation process, podling reports, etc). Others could certainly
> volunteer
> > or be nominated as well.
> >
> > 2. Draft a Resolution for the PPMC and IPMC to vote upon.
> > -- the resolution would include the above-decided chair as well as the
> list
> > of initial PMC, etc.
> > -- the Initial PMC could be just the current list of PPMC, or you could
> > consider adding others at this point as well.
> >
> >
> > I can help with the above process but figured I'd solicit opinions first
> on
> > whether the communit feels it's ready to graduate.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Todd
> >

Todd Lipcon
Software Engineer, Cloudera

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