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From David Middler <>
Subject RE: Issues with Apache Impala (incubating) website
Date Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:10:49 GMT
Cloudera has already transferred all the Impala marks to Apache.   The
marks are owned by Apache at this point.

*From:* Jim Apple []
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2016 4:03 PM
*To:* dev@impala <>
*Cc:*; John Russell <>; Laurel Hale <>; David Middler <>
*Subject:* Re: Issues with Apache Impala (incubating) website

Roman, thank you for taking the time to write to us.

Oddly, just as you were sending this, I was resolving

with this commit

It removes the links to download, install, try as VM, try as Docker, and
try in cloud.

We have started migrating our docs to ASF, though John and Laurel (cced)
have not finished yet. Their organizing JIRA is here:

In the meantime, the commit above changed the docs link to be a page about
available documentation. This page includes a link to the Cloudera docs,
but it calls them out as such. Does that meet the guidelines, in your
opinion? The guidelines do allow "links to external documentation".

As far as the docs saying "Apache Impala (incubating)", I have cc:ed David
Middler, a lawyer for Cloudera. I am not a lawyer and I do not quite
understand what words one should use to refer to this Impala thing between
the TM transfer and the first release - "Cloudera Impala"? just "Impala"?

The patch I linked to above also changes the github link to point to the
Apache github repo for Impala.

I think that touches on each of the issues you raised.

Thanks again,


On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:


while reviewing Impala website

I've come across a few issues that need
to be corrected soon in order to get the site
in line with ASF branding guidelines for podling

First of all, since your community hasn't had a single
release yet, you need to get rid of
   Dowload (at the top)
   Try as VM
   Try as Docker Image
   Try in the Cloud buttons
since they all point to something that clearly has no
relationship to Apache Impala (incubating) and is
very confusing to the users who may assume that
these are links to official releases.

I also suggest that you start migrating your docs to
ASF and get rid of Docs button linking to
published Impala Docs. If you click on that Docs link
it says (at the top of the page)
   This is the documentation for Cloudera Enterprise 5.8.x.
and then it proceeds to talk about Apache Impala (incubating).
This is misleading for the same reasons -- there's no such
thing as publicly available  Apache Impala (incubating)
until you have your first release.

Contribute and Git Hub buttons at the top still point to
Cloudera's GitHub. This has to change ASAP.

Please CC me directly if you have any further questions. I'm not
subscribed to this mailing list.


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