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From Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw....@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time
Date Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:06:12 GMT
Wow, two opposite opinion about voting proccess in a drei minuten

I share the Dmitriy's thoughts about Apache Way and Denis and Nikolay, but
also support voting procedure if we will have more than 1 candidate.

Also will be a good point to find and share official or recommended rights
and area of responcibility for this position if it is described somewhere
in Apache

BUT, dont ask privately, ask here in this thread, dear proposed candidates,
could you write about your agreement or disagreement with you as a
candidate?

Dmitry answered above, lets wait others.







чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:50 Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:

> Agree with Alexey,
>
> Denis, could you please ask candidates privately whether they are ready to
> become a PMC Chair and start the vote with the confirmed list?
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:47 AM Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ha-ha, surely, I'm not a candidate to this place, but joining to the PMC
> > club will be a honor for me.
> >
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:34 Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:
> >
> > > More candidates:
> > >
> > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > BigData evangelist.
> > >
> > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > >
> > > - Denis Magda.
> > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > >
> > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > >
> > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > >
> > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > >
> > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> > vote?
> > > >
> > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> > than
> > > 1
> > > > candidate?
> > > >
> > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will
> be
> > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > > projects
> > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how
> keeping
> > > PMC
> > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move
> the
> > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > > outside
> > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > > solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But
if
> > > > Alexey
> > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with
> GridGain,
> > > it
> > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC
Chair and
> > I’d
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity
to serve
> > in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently
and we’re
> > > > already
> > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she
can
> > bring a
> > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails
not
> > > > > considered
> > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business
trip. Will
> > > start
> > > > a
> > > > > > vote
> > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
<
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied
with
> > travel
> > > > and
> > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik
<
> > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the
deep insight,
> > Roman!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while
and it is time
> > to
> > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during
the [DISCUSS]
> (in
> > > the
> > > > > > order
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I
propose to use
> > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules,
where the
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority)
wins. [1]
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start
the formal
> [VOTE]?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik
wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy
Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>> <dsetrakyan@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested
so far look good, I
> would
> > > > > propose
> > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation
in the
> > project
> > > > does
> > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also
with Ignite project
> > > overall,
> > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets,
design, etc.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late,
but I wanted to
> > > offer a
> > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can
help reframe this
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming
from a
> non-coding
> > > (on
> > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC
after graduation
> > more
> > > > with
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody
who wanted to
> directly
> > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern
during your
> > > > > incubation
> > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys
doing on the
> > > community
> > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement
(the fact that
> more
> > > than
> > > > > 80%
> > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came
up during our
> > > graduation.
> > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still
was a very valid
> > > > concern.
> > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite
community
> hasn't
> > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And
I honestly feel
> that
> > > > this
> > > > > > is,
> > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing.
It was well
> > > understood
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all
it can to
> > demonstrate a
> > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind
of dropped the
> > ball
> > > on
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what
a change in the
> > > Chair
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development.
If you agree
> with
> > > this
> > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act
as a forcing
> > function
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to
grow and develop
> this
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after
all Branko's "tough
> > > love"
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience
in the Incubator).
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't
have to be a
> > Chair
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's
Chair
> doesn't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus,
but
> anything
> > > > that
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that
the chair gets
> can
> > > help
> > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as
former mentors)
> would
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship
focused on community
> > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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