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From Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time
Date Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:00:47 GMT
Some more candidates:
A. Gura
A. Vinogradov

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:50, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:
>
> Agree with Alexey,
>
> Denis, could you please ask candidates privately whether they are ready to
> become a PMC Chair and start the vote with the confirmed list?
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:47 AM Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ha-ha, surely, I'm not a candidate to this place, but joining to the PMC
> > club will be a honor for me.
> >
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 9:34 Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:
> >
> > > More candidates:
> > >
> > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > BigData evangelist.
> > >
> > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > >
> > > - Denis Magda.
> > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > >
> > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > >
> > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > >
> > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > >
> > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a
> > vote?
> > > >
> > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more
> > than
> > > 1
> > > > candidate?
> > > >
> > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > > > projects
> > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping
> > > PMC
> > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move
the
> > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > > > outside
> > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > > > solution.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But
if
> > > > Alexey
> > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain,
> > > it
> > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC
Chair and
> > I’d
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity
to serve
> > in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently
and we’re
> > > > already
> > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she
can
> > bring a
> > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails
not
> > > > > considered
> > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business
trip. Will
> > > start
> > > > a
> > > > > > vote
> > > > > > >> this week.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
<
> > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied
with
> > travel
> > > > and
> > > > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik
<
> > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the
deep insight,
> > Roman!
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while
and it is time
> > to
> > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > >>>> The
> > > > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during
the [DISCUSS] (in
> > > the
> > > > > > order
> > > > > > >>>> of
> > > > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I
propose to use
> > > > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules,
where the
> > > > candidate
> > > > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority)
wins. [1]
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start
the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik
wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy
Setrakyan
> > > > > > >>>>> <dsetrakyan@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested
so far look good, I would
> > > > > propose
> > > > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation
in the
> > project
> > > > does
> > > > > > >>>> not only
> > > > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also
with Ignite project
> > > overall,
> > > > > > >>>> including
> > > > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets,
design, etc.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late,
but I wanted to
> > > offer a
> > > > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can
help reframe this
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming
from a non-coding
> > > (on
> > > > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC
after graduation
> > more
> > > > with
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody
who wanted to directly
> > > > > > >> contribute
> > > > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern
during your
> > > > > incubation
> > > > > > >>>> days
> > > > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys
doing on the
> > > community
> > > > > > >>>> development
> > > > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement
(the fact that more
> > > than
> > > > > 80%
> > > > > > >>>> of project
> > > > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came
up during our
> > > graduation.
> > > > > > >> While
> > > > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still
was a very valid
> > > > concern.
> > > > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite
community hasn't
> > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And
I honestly feel that
> > > > this
> > > > > > is,
> > > > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing.
It was well
> > > understood
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >>>> in order
> > > > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all
it can to
> > demonstrate a
> > > > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind
of dropped the
> > ball
> > > on
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >>>> since.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what
a change in the
> > > Chair
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development.
If you agree with
> > > this
> > > > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act
as a forcing
> > function
> > > > to
> > > > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to
grow and develop this
> > > > > > community
> > > > > > >>>> would
> > > > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after
all Branko's "tough
> > > love"
> > > > > was
> > > > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience
in the Incubator).
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't
have to be a
> > Chair
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's
Chair doesn't
> > > > > really
> > > > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus,
but anything
> > > > that
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > >>>> to do
> > > > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that
the chair gets can
> > > help
> > > > > > >> quite
> > > > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as
former mentors) would
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship
focused on community
> > > > > > >> development
> > > > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >



-- 
Best regards,
Ivan Pavlukhin

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