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From Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time
Date Mon, 28 Oct 2019 20:48:54 GMT
Anyone can vote to express an opinion, however, the binding votes of PMC
members will be counted towards the election.

-
Denis


On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:53 PM Petr Ivanov <mr.weider@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone can vote or only other PMCs?
>
>
> > On 28 Oct 2019, at 20:58, Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ignites, overall, here is a list of candidates who confirmed their
> > participation in the vote. The others are either rejected or not
> responded
> > publicly/privately.
> >
> >   - Alexey Goncharuk
> >   - Dmitry Pavlov
> >   - Nikolay Izhikov
> >   - Pavel Tupitsyn
> >
> > As proposed in this discussion, let's bring up the PMC rotation topic
> once
> > a year to see if the community is willing to give another candidate to
> take
> > the role. But the rotation shouldn't be obligatory if a current PMC is
> > ready to carry on and the community doesn't see a need for the rotation.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 2:22 AM Alexey Goncharuk <
> alexey.goncharuk@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks folks, I'm in.
> >>
> >> пт, 25 окт. 2019 г. в 23:44, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhikov@apache.org>:
> >>
> >>> I'm in.
> >>>
> >>> В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет:
> >>>> Igniters,
> >>>>
> >>>> Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
> >>>> until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who
> >>> confirm
> >>>> will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that
> >>> time,
> >>>> then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that
> even
> >>>> though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
> >>>> counted for the Chair election:
> >>>>
> >>>>   - Nikolay Izhikov
> >>>>   - Alexey Goncharuk
> >>>>   - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
> >>>>   - Pavel Tupitsyn
> >>>>   - Roman Shtykh
> >>>>   - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
> >>>>   - Yakov Zhdanov
> >>>>   - Andrey Gura
> >>>>   - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
> >>>>   - Denis Magda (rejected)
> >>>>
> >>>> On a side note.
> >>>>
> >>>> Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to
> >> the
> >>>> community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that
> a
> >>>> demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for
> >>> your
> >>>> current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not
> >> complementing
> >>>> technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the
> >>> vendor
> >>>> doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for
> >>> Ignite.
> >>>> Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice,
> discuss
> >>> and
> >>>> set the rules with the employer from the get-go.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
> >>>> excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we
> >> have
> >>>> excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they
> >>> need
> >>>> to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1].
> As
> >>> for
> >>>> me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth
> >>> similarly
> >>>> if not bigger.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html
> >>>>
> >>>> -
> >>>> Denis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply,
> >>> but I
> >>>>> have to stress one thing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just
> >>> roles.
> >>>>> One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
> >>>>> suggest/vote for new committers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens
> >>> on a
> >>>>> private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con.
> >>> This is
> >>>>> sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev
> >> list,
> >>> in
> >>>>> public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing,
> >>> it is
> >>>>> a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition
of
> >>> merit
> >>>>> and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
> >>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>>>>
> >>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo100@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Vova,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon
about
> >>>>>> Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite
PMC
> >>> Chair
> >>>>>> or not.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vova,
> >>>>>>> +1 to your candidacy.
> >>>>>>> Just say yes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member
> >>> currently
> >>>>>>> enough for me :)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >>> dpavlov@apache.org>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy
> >>> came for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2nd
> >>>>>>>> time (I've checked previous thread).
> >>>>>>>> This is a good sign that we should think about you serving
as
> >>> Chair.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov
<
> >> ppozerov@gmail.com
> >>>> :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> HI Anton,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community
is very
> >>> vibrant,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> would be a honor for me to resonate it even further.
For
> >>> example, I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>> thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka
> >> "Hazelnite")
> >>>>>
> >>>>> which
> >>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>> have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions
to the list.
> >>>>>>>>> But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let
me think
> >> more
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> whether I
> >>>>>>>>> am ready for this role ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Vladimir.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov
<av@apache.org
> >>> :
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> More candidates:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Alexey Zinoviev.
> >>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely
time to change
> >>> this.
> >>>>>>>>>> BigData evangelist.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Ivan Rakov.
> >>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely
time to change
> >>> this.
> >>>>>>>>>> Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Denis Magda.
> >>>>>>>>>> Keeping this stable is also the option.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> >>>>>>>>>> Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Roman Shtykh.
> >>>>>>>>>> Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Vladimir Ozerov
> >>>>>>>>>> Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> >>>>>>>>>> Man with really strong leadership skills.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Yakov Zhdanov
> >>>>>>>>>> Ignite's Godfather.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev
<
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Currently, we discuss only candidates here,
isn't it?
> >> This
> >>> is
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> not a
> >>>>>>>>> vote?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Also we should ask candidates about their
plans, isn't
> >> it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting,
if we will
> >>> have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>> 1
> >>>>>>>>>>> candidate?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate
every year,
> >>> and it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>> easy for candidates to plan their work-life
balance?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy
Pavlov <
> >>> dpavlov@apache.org>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Igniters,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to serve this role,
but since my day
> >> job
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> current
> >>>>>>>>>>> projects
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not related to Ignite, it may cause
some delays in
> >>> replies.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would give my +1 to both candidates,
but I'm
> >> concerned
> >>> how
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> keeping
> >>>>>>>>>> PMC
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chair inside the company initially donated
code to ASF
> >>> could
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> move
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> community to the new trails. I strongly
believe giving
> >>> more
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> control
> >>>>>>>>>>> outside
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and improving diversity always help
to find new ways of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> developing
> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey
serving this
> >>> role.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But if
> >>>>>>>>>>> Alexey
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is more active on the list and if he
is not affiliated
> >>> with
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> GridGain,
> >>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would be ++1 from my side. For now,
I'm not so sure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39,
Nikita Ivanov <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM,
Denis Magda <
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> dmagda@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igniters,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been almost 3 years since
my election as the
> >> PMC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chair and
> >>>>>>>>> I’d
> >>>>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the community to give other
PMC members an
> >>> opportunity to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> serve
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> role. It’s healthy to rotate
the role more
> >>> frequently and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> we’re
> >>>>>>>>>>> already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> due. Though the chair doesn’t
have formal power,
> >>> he/she
> >>>>>
> >>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>> bring a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> fresh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective and help to navigate
the community via
> >>> trails
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> considered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please propose candidates selecting
among active
> >> PMC
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> members:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2016,
Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't forgotten. Just
got back from a
> >> business
> >>> trip.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Will
> >>>>>>>>>> start
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> vote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this week.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at
5:18 PM, Dmitriy
> >> Setrakyan
> >>> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos, I will start the
vote soon. A bit over
> >>> occupied
> >>>>>
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>> travel
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holidays at this moment.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016
at 12:33 PM, Konstantin
> >>> Boudnik <
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> cos@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a great
discussion, thanks for the
> >>> deep
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> insight,
> >>>>>>>>> Roman!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like this
thread has stewed for a while
> >>> and it
> >>>>>
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [VOTE].
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following candidates
were put forward during
> >>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [DISCUSS]
> >>>>>>>> (in
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> order
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their appearance
on the thread):
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis Magda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering the
number of the candidates I
> >>> propose to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First-past-the-post
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting, with a single-round/single
winner
> >>> rules, where
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> candidate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collecting the most
votes (not the majority)
> >>> wins. [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy, would you
do the honors and start
> >> the
> >>> formal
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [VOTE]?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 10,
2016 at 08:19PM, Roman
> >>> Shaposhnik
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov
2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy
> >>> Setrakyan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While all
the candidates suggested so far
> >>> look
> >>>>>
> >>>>> good, I
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>> propose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magda as
the next PMC chair. His
> >>> participation in
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> project
> >>>>>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to
do with the code, but also with
> >>> Ignite
> >>>>>
> >>>>> project
> >>>>>>>>>> overall,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website,
documentation, new tickets,
> >>> design, etc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to come
to this thread rather late,
> >>> but I
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wanted
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> offer a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspective
that hopefully can
> >>> help reframe
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little bit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note, that what
I'm about to say is coming
> >>> from a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> non-coding
> >>>>>>>>>> (on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ignite) member
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the PMC.
In fact, I stayed on the PMC
> >>> after
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> graduation
> >>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member hat on,
rather than as somebody who
> >>> wanted to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> directly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to where the
technology was going. My
> >>> concern during
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>> incubation
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was (and still
is!) how well are you guys
> >>> doing on
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you recall,
the diversity requirement
> >>> (the fact
> >>>>>
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 80%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of project
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members work
for the same company) came up
> >>> during our
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> graduation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it wasn't a
blocking requirement it still
> >>> was a very
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> valid
> >>>>>>>>>>> concern.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monocultures
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are really nasty
for open source
> >> communities.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would
be fair to say that Ignite
> >>> community
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hasn't
> >>>>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity-wise
since its graduation. And I
> >>> honestly
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> feel
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a larger
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extent, because
the focus is now missing.
> >> It
> >>> was well
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> understood
> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to graduate
the community had to do all it
> >>> can to
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> demonstrate a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive trajectory
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that direction.
And we did. But we kind
> >>> of dropped
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> ball
> >>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With that in
mind, I offer my view on what
> >> a
> >>> change
> >>>>>
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Chair
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer: a renewed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on community
growth and development.
> >>> If you
> >>>>>
> >>>>> agree
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> premise than
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody like
Branko or Cos who could act
> >> as
> >>> a
> >>>>>
> >>>>> forcing
> >>>>>>>>> function
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remind us about
what else can we do to grow
> >>> and
> >>>>>
> >>>>> develop
> >>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an ideal
choice for the Chair (after all
> >>> Branko's
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "tough
> >>>>>>>>>> love"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most useful
part of Ignite's experience in
> >>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Incubator).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, of course,
strictly speaking you don't
> >>> have to
> >>>>>
> >>>>> be
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> Chair
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. But lets
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face it -- that
helps. And besides, a
> >>> project's Chair
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any special
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers when
it comes to technological
> >>> consensus, but
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> anything
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with external
community the VP title that
> >>> the chair
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> gets
> >>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long story short:
if Branko or Cos (as
> >> former
> >>>>>
> >>>>> mentors)
> >>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit to 6
more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months of the
same hands-on mentorship
> >>> focused on
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have my
wholehearted support.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman (with
my PMC member hat on).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>> Ivan Pavlukhin
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>

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