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From Vladimir Ozerov <ppoze...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time
Date Thu, 24 Oct 2019 08:08:42 GMT
HI Anton,

Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant, it
would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example, I was
thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite") which could
have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more whether I
am ready for this role ...

Vladimir.

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:

> More candidates:
>
> - Alexey Zinoviev.
> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> BigData evangelist.
>
> - Ivan Rakov.
> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
> Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
>
> - Denis Magda.
> Keeping this stable is also the option.
>
> - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
>
> - Roman Shtykh.
> Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
>
> - Vladimir Ozerov
> Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> Man with really strong leadership skills.
>
> - Yakov Zhdanov
> Ignite's Godfather.
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?
> >
> > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
> >
> > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than
> 1
> > candidate?
> >
> > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters,
> > >
> > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> > projects
> > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> > >
> > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping
> PMC
> > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> > outside
> > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> > Alexey
> > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain,
> it
> > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > --
> > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and
I’d
> > > like
> > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> > this
> > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> > already
> > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring
a
> > > fresh
> > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > > considered
> > > > > before.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Denis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will
> start
> > a
> > > > vote
> > > > >> this week.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with
travel
> > and
> > > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > cos@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Ok,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight,
Roman!
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it
is time to
> > > > [VOTE].
> > > > >>>> The
> > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS]
(in
> the
> > > > order
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to
use
> > > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where
the
> > candidate
> > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal
[VOTE]?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>  Cos
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>>>> <dsetrakyan@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look
good, I would
> > > propose
> > > > >>>> Denis
> > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation
in the project
> > does
> > > > >>>> not only
> > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite
project
> overall,
> > > > >>>> including
> > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design,
etc.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted
to
> offer a
> > > > >>>> somewhat
> > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe
this
> > > discussion
> > > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a
non-coding
> (on
> > > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
more
> > with
> > > > my
> > > > >>>> ASF
> > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted
to directly
> > > > >> contribute
> > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during
your
> > > incubation
> > > > >>>> days
> > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on
the
> community
> > > > >>>> development
> > > > >>>>> front.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact
that more
> than
> > > 80%
> > > > >>>> of project
> > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during
our
> graduation.
> > > > >> While
> > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very
valid
> > concern.
> > > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community
hasn't
> > really
> > > > >>>>> improved much
> > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly
feel that
> > this
> > > > is,
> > > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was
well
> understood
> > > that
> > > > >>>> in order
> > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to
demonstrate a
> > > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped
the ball
> on
> > > it
> > > > >>>> since.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change
in the
> Chair
> > > > could
> > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you
agree with
> this
> > > > >>>> premise than
> > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
function
> > to
> > > > >>>> constantly
> > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop
this
> > > > community
> > > > >>>> would
> > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's
"tough
> love"
> > > was
> > > > >>>>> probably the
> > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have
to be a Chair
> to
> > > do
> > > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair
doesn't
> > > really
> > > > >>>>> have any special
> > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus,
but anything
> > that
> > > > has
> > > > >>>> to do
> > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair
gets can
> help
> > > > >> quite
> > > > >>>> a bit.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors)
would
> like
> > > to
> > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on
community
> > > > >> development
> > > > >>>> -- they
> > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -
> > > > > Denis
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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