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From Ilya Kasnacheev <ilya.kasnach...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time
Date Tue, 22 Oct 2019 09:33:09 GMT
Hello!

+1 to all three :)

Regards,
-- 
Ilya Kasnacheev


вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:24, Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo100@gmail.com>:

> IMHO, today Dmitriy Pavlov is the best candidate for this role. He
> invested a lot into community health and productivity (TC bot and much
> more).
>
> вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:15, Vyacheslav Daradur <daradurvs@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my
> opinion:
> >
> > Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> > significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
> >
> > Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> > expert with the project's architecture vision.
> >
> > I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <dmagda@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> like
> > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> fresh
> > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> considered
> > > before.
> > >
> > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > >
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> a vote
> > > > this week.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> and
> > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> cos@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ok,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time
to
> [VOTE].
> > > > >> The
> > > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> the order
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > >>
> > > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> candidate
> > > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>   Cos
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >> > <dsetrakyan@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good,
I would
> propose
> > > > >> Denis
> > > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
project
> does
> > > > >> not only
> > > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> overall,
> > > > >> including
> > > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
offer
> a
> > > > >> somewhat
> > > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> discussion
> > > > >> > a little bit.
> > > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
(on
> > > > >> Ignite) member
> > > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation
more
> with my
> > > > >> ASF
> > > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > contribute
> > > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> incubation
> > > > >> days
> > > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > > >> development
> > > > >> > front.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that
more
> than 80%
> > > > >> of project
> > > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our
> graduation.
> > > > While
> > > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > > >> Monocultures
> > > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > > >> > improved much
> > > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel
that
> this is,
> > > > >> > to a larger
> > > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> understood that
> > > > >> in order
> > > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate
a
> > > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the
ball
> on it
> > > > >> since.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> Chair could
> > > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree
with
> this
> > > > >> premise than
> > > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> to
> > > > >> constantly
> > > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop
this
> community
> > > > >> would
> > > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> love" was
> > > > >> > probably the
> > > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a
Chair
> to do
> > > > >> > that. But lets
> > > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> really
> > > > >> > have any special
> > > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that has
> > > > >> to do
> > > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets
can
> help
> > > > quite
> > > > >> a bit.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> like to
> > > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > development
> > > > >> -- they
> > > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -
> > > Denis
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ivan Pavlukhin
>

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