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From Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time
Date Fri, 25 Oct 2019 20:47:50 GMT
I'm in.

В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет:
> Igniters,
> 
> Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time
> until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who confirm
> will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that time,
> then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that even
> though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are
> counted for the Chair election:
> 
>    - Nikolay Izhikov
>    - Alexey Goncharuk
>    - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed)
>    - Pavel Tupitsyn
>    - Roman Shtykh
>    - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking)
>    - Yakov Zhdanov
>    - Andrey Gura
>    - Anton Vinogradov (rejected)
>    - Denis Magda (rejected)
> 
> On a side note.
> 
> Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to the
> community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that a
> demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for your
> current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not complementing
> technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the vendor
> doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for Ignite.
> Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice, discuss and
> set the rules with the employer from the get-go.
> 
> Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm
> excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we have
> excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they need
> to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1]. As for
> me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth similarly
> if not bigger.
> 
> [1]
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html
> 
> -
> Denis
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply, but I
> > have to stress one thing.
> > 
> > Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just roles.
> > One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and
> > suggest/vote for new committers.
> > 
> > There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens on a
> > private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con. This is
> > sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev list, in
> > public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing, it is
> > a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays.
> > 
> > Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of merit
> > and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club.
> > 
> > A bit of info related to PMC and VP:
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > 
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo100@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > > Hi Vova,
> > > 
> > > Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about
> > > Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC Chair
> > > or not.
> > > 
> > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:
> > > > 
> > > > Vova,
> > > > +1 to your candidacy.
> > > > Just say yes.
> > > > 
> > > > As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member currently
> > > > enough for me :)
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy came
for
> > > 
> > > 2nd
> > > > > time (I've checked previous thread).
> > > > > This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as Chair.
> > > > > 
> > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov <ppozerov@gmail.com>:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > HI Anton,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very vibrant,
> > > 
> > > it
> > > > > > would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For example,
I
> > > 
> > > was
> > > > > > thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka "Hazelnite")
> > 
> > which
> > > > > could
> > > > > > have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list.
> > > > > > But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think more
> > > 
> > > whether I
> > > > > > am ready for this role ...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Vladimir.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <av@apache.org>:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > More candidates:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Alexey Zinoviev.
> > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
this.
> > > > > > > BigData evangelist.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Ivan Rakov.
> > > > > > > He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change
this.
> > > > > > > Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Denis Magda.
> > > > > > > Keeping this stable is also the option.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Pavel Tupitsyn.
> > > > > > > Open-minded, experienced in global communications.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Roman Shtykh.
> > > > > > > Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
> > > > > > > Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
> > > > > > > Man with really strong leadership skills.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > - Yakov Zhdanov
> > > > > > > Ignite's Godfather.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <
> > > > > 
> > > > > zaleslaw.sin@gmail.com
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't
it? This is
> > > 
> > > not a
> > > > > > vote?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't
it?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if
we will have
> > > 
> > > more
> > > > > > than
> > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > > candidate?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every
year, and it
> > > 
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov@apache.org>:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since
my day job
> > > 
> > > current
> > > > > > > > projects
> > > > > > > > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays
in replies.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm
concerned how
> > > > > 
> > > > > keeping
> > > > > > > PMC
> > > > > > > > > Chair inside the company initially donated code
to ASF could
> > > 
> > > move
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe
giving more
> > > 
> > > control
> > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > > > > and improving diversity always help to find new
ways of
> > > 
> > > developing
> > > > > > > > > solution.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving
this role.
> > > 
> > > But if
> > > > > > > > Alexey
> > > > > > > > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated
with
> > > > > 
> > > > > GridGain,
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so
sure.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov
<
> > > 
> > > nivanov@gridgain.com>:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Nikita Ivanov
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis
Magda <
> > > 
> > > dmagda@apache.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my
election as the PMC
> > > 
> > > Chair and
> > > > > > I’d
> > > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > the community to give other PMC members
an opportunity to
> > > 
> > > serve
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the
role more frequently and
> > > 
> > > we’re
> > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have
formal power, he/she
> > 
> > can
> > > > > > bring a
> > > > > > > > > fresh
> > > > > > > > > > > perspective and help to navigate the
community via trails
> > > 
> > > not
> > > > > > > > > considered
> > > > > > > > > > > before.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting
among active PMC
> > > 
> > > members:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy
Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got
back from a business trip.
> > > 
> > > Will
> > > > > > > start
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > vote
> > > > > > > > > > > > this week.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM,
Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Cos, I will start the vote
soon. A bit over occupied
> > 
> > with
> > > > > > travel
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33
PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > cos@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was a great discussion,
thanks for the deep
> > > 
> > > insight,
> > > > > > Roman!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks like this thread
has stewed for a while and it
> > 
> > is
> > > time
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > [VOTE].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > following candidates
were put forward during the
> > > 
> > > [DISCUSS]
> > > > > (in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > their appearance on
the thread):
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Denis Magda
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Branko Čibej
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering the number
of the candidates I propose to
> > > 
> > > use
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > First-past-the-post
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > voting, with a single-round/single
winner rules, where
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > > > > candidate
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > collecting the most
votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, would you do
the honors and start the formal
> > > > > 
> > > > > [VOTE]?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Cos
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016
at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 2,
2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dsetrakyan@apache.org>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While all
the candidates suggested so far look
> > 
> > good, I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > propose
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda as the
next PMC chair. His participation in
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > project
> > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to do
with the code, but also with Ignite
> > 
> > project
> > > > > > > overall,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > including
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > website, documentation,
new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to come to
this thread rather late, but I
> > 
> > wanted
> > > to
> > > > > > > offer a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different perspective
that hopefully can help reframe
> > > 
> > > this
> > > > > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a little bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note, that what
I'm about to say is coming from a
> > > > > 
> > > > > non-coding
> > > > > > > (on
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite) member
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the PMC. In
fact, I stayed on the PMC after
> > > 
> > > graduation
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ASF
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member hat on,
rather than as somebody who wanted to
> > > > > 
> > > > > directly
> > > > > > > > > > > > contribute
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to where the technology
was going. My concern during
> > > 
> > > your
> > > > > > > > > incubation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > days
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > was (and still
is!) how well are you guys doing on
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > front.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you recall,
the diversity requirement (the fact
> > 
> > that
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > 80%
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of project
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members work for
the same company) came up during our
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > graduation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > While
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it wasn't a blocking
requirement it still was a very
> > > 
> > > valid
> > > > > > > > concern.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monocultures
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are really nasty
for open source communities.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it would
be fair to say that Ignite community
> > > > > 
> > > > > hasn't
> > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improved much
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diversity-wise
since its graduation. And I honestly
> > > 
> > > feel
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > is,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a larger
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > extent, because
the focus is now missing. It was well
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > understood
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in order
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to graduate the
community had to do all it can to
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > demonstrate a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > positive trajectory
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in that direction.
And we did. But we kind of dropped
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > > ball
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > since.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With that in mind,
I offer my view on what a change
> > 
> > in
> > > the
> > > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offer: a renewed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focus on community
growth and development. If you
> > 
> > agree
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > premise than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somebody like Branko
or Cos who could act as a
> > 
> > forcing
> > > > > > function
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remind us about
what else can we do to grow and
> > 
> > develop
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be an ideal choice
for the Chair (after all Branko's
> > > 
> > > "tough
> > > > > > > love"
> > > > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most useful part
of Ignite's experience in the
> > > 
> > > Incubator).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, of course,
strictly speaking you don't have to
> > 
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > > Chair
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. But lets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > face it -- that
helps. And besides, a project's Chair
> > > > > 
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have any special
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > powers when it
comes to technological consensus, but
> > > > > 
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with external community
the VP title that the chair
> > > 
> > > gets
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > help
> > > > > > > > > > > > quite
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a bit.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Long story short:
if Branko or Cos (as former
> > 
> > mentors)
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit to 6 more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months of the same
hands-on mentorship focused on
> > > 
> > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > > development
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would have my wholehearted
support.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roman (with my
PMC member hat on).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Ivan Pavlukhin
> > > 

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