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From Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Apache Ignite 2.7 release
Date Tue, 02 Oct 2018 23:07:35 GMT
Hello, Dmitriy.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.

Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact* of a bug.

Why are you scaring us with your "-1"?
Is it Apache Way to do so?
What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion?

В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет:
> Hi Igniters, Vladimir,
> 
> NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if persistence
> enabled).
> 
> I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure it is
> too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I will
> definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems exist and
> were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability of the
> product.
> 
> We should ask and answer other questions:
> 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the same area
> 2) and why we signed-off commit(s).
> 
> Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and research
> these failures in master (with no rush).
> 
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
> 
> вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <vozerov@gridgain.com>:
> 
> > Andrey, Anton,
> > 
> > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the impact to
> > users and in what circumstances users can met them?
> > 
> > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive to
> > include them all, because bug != blocker.
> > 
> > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, unless
> > impact is explained.
> > 
> > Vladimir.
> > 
> > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com>:
> > 
> > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks
> > 
> > like a
> > > release blocker to me.
> > > 
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776
> > > 
> > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Anton,
> > > > 
> > > >  I definitely agree it is a blocker.
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > 
> > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <kaa.dev@yandex.ru>:
> > > > 
> > > > > Hi Igniters.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver -
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed
> > 
> > it.
> > > > > It seems it should be include to scope.
> > > > > 
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Anton Kalashnikov
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > Thanks, got it.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > 
> > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to
> > > > > 
> > > > > finalize
> > > > > > >  all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > >  contributors doing the same.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > 
> > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > :
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these
> > > > 
> > > > tickets
> > > > > were
> > > > > > >  > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7
> > > 
> > > scope.
> > > > I
> > > > > > >  would
> > > > > > >  > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > Third of current tickets are features on their final review
> > > 
> > > stages
> > > > > (e.g.
> > > > > > >  > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part
> > 
> > is
> > > > > > >  > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and
> > > 
> > > another
> > > > > big
> > > > > > >  > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support,
> > > > > 
> > > > > etc.). So
> > > > > > >  > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped
> > > > 
> > > > around
> > > > > > >  > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should
> > 
> > be
> > > > very
> > > > > > >  good.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > 
> > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > wrote:
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all
> > > > 
> > > > these
> > > > > > >  > tickets
> > > > > > >  > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have"
> > > > 
> > > > tickets
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >  2.7
> > > > > > >  > > and move the rest to 2.8.
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > D.
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > 
> > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com>
> > > > > > >  > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets
> > > 
> > > without
> > > > > > >  > > components:
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > 
> > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > It means:
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs.
> > > > > > >  > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces
> > > 
> > > features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7
> > > 
> > > DUE
> > > > > TO
> > > > > > >  > > OCTOBER
> > > > > > >  > > > > 10*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > Thoughts?
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7
> > > 
> > > version
> > > > > [1].
> > > > > > >  > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly
> > 
> > reminder
> > > > #1,
> > > > > *the
> > > > > > >  > > > > deadline is near :)*.
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > >
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > 
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > Agree with Andrey.
> > > > > > >  > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > >  stkuzma@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination
> > > > > > >  detection,
> > > > > > >  > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > I'm
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have
> > > > 
> > > > trivial
> > > > > yet
> > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > [1]
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > [2]
> > 
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >  > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > > >:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy
> > > > > 
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >  > about
> > > > > > >  > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss
> > > > > 
> > > > > things
> > > > > > >  > before
> > > > > > >  > > > > agreement
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some
> > 
> > pre-build
> > > > > > >  > agreements'
> > > > > > >  > > > > here. BTW
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is
> > 
> > the
> > > > > > >  principal
> > > > > > >  > > > > place where
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar
> > > 
> > > decisions
> > > > > will
> > > > > > >  be
> > > > > > >  > > > > building on
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > the dev list.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > >  > > nizhikov@apache.org
> > > > > > >  > > > >:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hello, guys.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > 
> > > > пишет:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not
> > 
> > see a
> > > > > single
> > > > > > >  > > chance
> > > > > > >  > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Service
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are
> > > > 
> > > > still
> > > > > > >  > keeping
> > > > > > >  > > > hope
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > alive.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any
> > 
> > feature
> > > > > > >  involving
> > > > > > >  > > > > consensus
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized
> > > > 
> > > > after
> > > > > > >  > initial
> > > > > > >  > > > > public
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in
> > > > > 
> > > > > October
> > > > > > >  we
> > > > > > >  > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > see it
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about
> > > > > 
> > > > > regressions
> > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > other
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday
> > 
> > a
> > > > lot
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > efforts
> > > > > > >  > > > > will be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > put
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole
> > > > 
> > > > purpose
> > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > pre-release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of
> > > 
> > > Ignite
> > > > > > >  > internals
> > > > > > >  > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > middle
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be
> > > > 
> > > > lost.
> > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > >  > > > > simply a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us
> > > 
> > > at
> > > > > rush.
> > > > > > >  > Rush
> > > > > > >  > > > > during
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is
> > > > > 
> > > > > known -
> > > > > > >  bad
> > > > > > >  > > > > features,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to
> > > 
> > > move
> > > > > it to
> > > > > > >  AI
> > > > > > >  > > 2.8
> > > > > > >  > > > > right
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > now?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being
> > > > 
> > > > ready.
> > > > > > >  This
> > > > > > >  > > > simple
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > action
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to
> > > 
> > > quality
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > >  > > > > product, and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will
> > 
> > defeat
> > > > > > >  > > stabilization
> > > > > > >  > > > > effrots
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > other contributors.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav
> > > 
> > > Daradur
> > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > daradurvs@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be
> > > > > 
> > > > > implemented
> > > > > > >  > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > phase 1,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track
> > 
> > phase 1
> > > > > scope.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we
> > > > > 
> > > > > completely
> > > > > > >  > rework
> > > > > > >  > > > > component
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and
> > > 
> > > we
> > > > > build
> > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > base for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > new features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy
> > > > 
> > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign
> > > > 
> > > > includes:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take
> > > > 
> > > > about
> > > > > 1
> > > > > > >  > month
> > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > test
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > properly
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including
> > 
> > redeployment
> > > > > tests
> > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > >  > > > > restart
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > tests
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight
> > > > 
> > > > runs.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > >  > this
> > > > > > >  > > > > type of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > testing
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be
> > > > > > >  > unreasonable
> > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > expect
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy
> > > > 
> > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er,
> > > 
> > > but
> > > > > not a
> > > > > > >  > > > > commenter,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare
> > 
> > cycles.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis
> > 
> > Magda <
> > > > > > >  > > > > dmagda@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more
> > > > > 
> > > > > context.
> > > > > > >  In
> > > > > > >  > > > > general, I'm
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > fully for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with
> > 
> > the
> > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at
> > 
> > the
> > > > > end of
> > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM
> > 
> > Nikolay
> > > > > Izhikov
> > > > > > >  <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > nizhikov@apache.org>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many
> > > 
> > > emotions
> > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > discussion of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG
> > > 
> > > redesign.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed
> > 
> > about:
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > >  > Grid
> > > > > > >  > > > > redesign
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > big
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the
> > 
> > product.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current
> > > > 
> > > > task
> > > > > > >  state:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and
> > > > 
> > > > aligned*
> > > > > > >  both:
> > > > > > >  > > > > privately
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Ignite
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey
> > > > 
> > > > Goncharyuk,
> > > > > > >  Anton
> > > > > > >  > > > > Vinogradov,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Denis
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov)
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task
> > 
> > is
> > > > > done.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this
> > > 
> > > contribution
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >  gave
> > > > > > >  > > > > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a
> > > 
> > > day
> > > > or
> > > > > > >  two.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov
> > > > 
> > > > review
> > > > > on
> > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > >  > > > > beginning
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > next
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > week.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member
> > > 
> > > wants
> > > > to
> > > > > > >  help
> > > > > > >  > > *by
> > > > > > >  > > > > doing
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are
> > > > > 
> > > > > welcome.
> > > > > > >  PR
> > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > >  > > > > here [1]
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually
> > > > 
> > > > exclusive
> > > > > > >  > options
> > > > > > >  > > > > regarding
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with
> > 
> > the
> > > > > bunch of
> > > > > > >  > new
> > > > > > >  > > > > cool
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > features.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at
> > 
> > the
> > > > > end of
> > > > > > >  > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > year with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a
> > > 
> > > lot
> > > > of
> > > > > > >  > things
> > > > > > >  > > > can
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG
> > > > 
> > > > release
> > > > > > >  > version
> > > > > > >  > > > > *when it
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300,
> > 
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > пишет:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The
> > > > > 
> > > > > thread you
> > > > > > >  > > > > mention was
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > named
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community
> > 
> > members
> > > > are
> > > > > > >  > trying
> > > > > > >  > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > take
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > over the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache
> > 
> > community,
> > > I
> > > > > value
> > > > > > >  > > > > Do-ocracy and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > power
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree.
> > 
> > There
> > > > are
> > > > > no
> > > > > > >  > > leaders
> > > > > > >  > > > > in open
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > source,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and
> > > > > 
> > > > > Vyacheslav.
> > > > > > >  > For
> > > > > > >  > > > > me, their
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is
> > > 
> > > ready
> > > > to
> > > > > > >  lead
> > > > > > >  > an
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > additional
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works
> > 
> > for
> > > > me.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39,
> > 
> > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of
> > 
> > this
> > > > > thread
> > > > > > >  > that
> > > > > > >  > > > > Service
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > > >  > community
> > > > > > >  > > > > still did
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > approve
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed
> > 
> > since.
> > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > >  not
> > > > > > >  > > > seen
> > > > > > >  > > > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > design
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no
> > 
> > confidence
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > >  > > > > Service Grid
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > changes
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7
> > > > > 
> > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > seems
> > > > > > >  > > > out
> > > > > > >  > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > question
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release
> > 
> > manager.
> > > > We
> > > > > > >  should
> > > > > > >  > > let
> > > > > > >  > > > > him
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > drive the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great
> > > 
> > > job
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >  the
> > > > > > >  > > > > release is
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense
> > > > 
> > > > with
> > > > > > >  > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > dates-pushing
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with
> > > 
> > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > include/exclude
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > something
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole
> > > 
> > > community
> > > > > > >  > disagreed.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate
> > > > > 
> > > > > discussion
> > > > > > >  > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > results
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their
> > > > > 
> > > > > contribution,
> > > > > > >  > even
> > > > > > >  > > > if
> > > > > > >  > > > > we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > need
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a
> > 
> > couple
> > > of
> > > > > days
> > > > > > >  > > more.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why
> > > 
> > > dates
> > > > > are so
> > > > > > >  > > > > fundamentally
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > important
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20,
> > > > 
> > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > Setrakyan <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrakyan@apache.org>:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready,
> > 
> > which
> > > > it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >  > not,
> > > > > > >  > > > > then we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no
> > > > 
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > force
> > > > > > >  > > > > them into
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > 2.7.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the
> > 
> > schedule
> > > we
> > > > > all
> > > > > > >  > > agreed
> > > > > > >  > > > > on.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22
> > 
> > AM
> > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement
> > 
> > is
> > > > > > >  "community
> > > > > > >  > > did
> > > > > > >  > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > make
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/
> > > > 
> > > > services
> > > > > are
> > > > > > >  > out
> > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > scope".
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my
> > > > > > >  confusion.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > 
> > 11:19,
> > > > > > >  Vladimir
> > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. So correct
> > > 
> > > statement
> > > > > is
> > > > > > >  “it
> > > > > > >  > is
> > > > > > >  > > > up
> > > > > > >  > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > *community*
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > whether
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something goes to 2.7”.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > 
> > > 11:11,
> > > > > > >  Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it is up to the
> > > > > 
> > > > > community to
> > > > > > >  > > > discuss
> > > > > > >  > > > > after
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > their
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > review
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в
> > > > 
> > > > 11:09,
> > > > > > >  > > Vladimir
> > > > > > >  > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words
> > > > > 
> > > > > correctly
> > > > > > >  > > that
> > > > > > >  > > > > it is up
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implementor
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature to decide
> > > 
> > > whether
> > > > > > >  release
> > > > > > >  > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > all
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > delayed?
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г.
> > 
> > в
> > > > > 11:00,
> > > > > > >  > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can
> > 
> > wait
> > > a
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > >  for
> > > > > > >  > > > > services
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are
> > 
> > open-minded
> > > > and
> > > > > we
> > > > > > >  > > don't
> > > > > > >  > > > > have
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > outside
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it
> > 
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > > >  some
> > > > > > >  > > new
> > > > > > >  > > > > feature,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a
> > 
> > well
> > > > > known
> > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > >  > > > > important
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > feature.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to
> > > > > 
> > > > > Vyacheslav,
> > > > > > >  > Anton
> > > > > > >  > > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > Nikolay
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > decide.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be
> > > > > 
> > > > > services are
> > > > > > >  > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > ready/ready to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > merge
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master
> > > 
> > > and
> > > > to
> > > > > > >  2.7.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018
> > 
> > г.
> > > в
> > > > > 10:46,
> > > > > > >  > > > > Vladimir
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Ozerov <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vozerov@gridgain.com
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community
> > 
> > agreement
> > > > > was to
> > > > > > >  > > > perform
> > > > > > >  > > > > the
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wait a bit for
> > > > > 
> > > > > services.
> > > > > > >  Then
> > > > > > >  > > we
> > > > > > >  > > > > wait a
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > bit for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by that time,
> > 
> > then
> > > > > again
> > > > > > >  and
> > > > > > >  > > > > again, and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while we are
> > > 
> > > waiting
> > > > > for
> > > > > > >  new
> > > > > > >  > > > > features to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > come,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completerd
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cannot be used by
> > > > > 
> > > > > anyone.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why we
> > 
> > have
> > > > an
> > > > > > >  > > agreement
> > > > > > >  > > > > that if
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > feature is
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moved to future
> > > > > 
> > > > > release,
> > > > > > >  > > instead
> > > > > > >  > > > of
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > shifting
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sole
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have strict dates
> > > > 
> > > > when
> > > > > > >  > > decisions
> > > > > > >  > > > > are made
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > to let
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28,
> > > 
> > > 2018
> > > > at
> > > > > > >  2:22
> > > > > > >  > AM
> > > > > > >  > > > > Dmitriy
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Pavlov
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov.spb@gmail.com>
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I'm
> > 
> > not
> > > > > > >  > searching
> > > > > > >  > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > enemy,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fighting
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happy about
> > 
> > cases
> > > > > when we
> > > > > > >  > are
> > > > > > >  > > > > hurrying.
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can't fix
> > > 
> > > test,
> > > > > fill
> > > > > > >  > > ticket
> > > > > > >  > > > > details,
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > wait
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finish their
> > > 
> > > tasks.
> > > > > It
> > > > > > >  is
> > > > > > >  > > not
> > > > > > >  > > > > best
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > idea
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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